iPods & Boats - Yes you can...

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Feb 6, 1998
11,711
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I love my iPod, actually all my iPods, and find it to be one of the best additions to our boat, home and cars. It seems a lot of boaters, are not techies, and get really confused about the overwhelming technology posed by the iPod. Some feel iPods are a complicated, new fanagled gizmo. I can assure you they are not complicted and, in fact, can give you the freedom from lugging those Case Logic binders full of CD's and then running up and down the companionway to change a CD every 30 - 40 minutes. I regularly cary over 600 CD's worth of music in my iPod and I'm never without my music.. Know I know some of the crusty crabbies on this board will chime in and tell everyone how they love the sound of silence and the sound of sailing So do I but just not all the time. So for you crusty crabbies please stop reading now and go back to braiding that new baggywrinkle and polishing that sextant. Below are the steps involved in adding an iPod to your boat. Step 1- My first advice is to buy a car stereo from Wal*Mart, Best Buy, Circiuit City or even a car stereo from Crutchfield. Please don't waste money on a marine grade unit they are just re-badged car stereos with less features! I could go into the technical details about the "marine" stereo scam but suffice it to say there is NO such thing as a marinized stereo & the moisture WILL eventually kill any marine stereo if givin the opportunity or time. One of the easiest things you can do to preserve stereo life is to remove it from the boat in the winter. This prevents the constant condensation that happens under that winter cover from the huge temp swings between night and day. I remove ALL my electronics and keep them in a dry closet at my house. During the sailing season it's best to keep it turned on as much as you can. If you have a dock slip leaving your stereo turned on, but with the volume turned down, is perhaps the best thing you can do for it. The heat from the resistors, transformers and other electrical components will keep the stereo dry and moisture free. I have only owned one marine grade stereo in my 15+ years of having stereos on boats, a Poly Planar, and that marine stereo was the only one to fail. It also sounded sub par but that's another story for another day. Since that time I have been using mid priced to inexpensive car CD players with high labled output like 22w X 4ch RMS or more. Now keep in mind all manufacturers lie about the output of a car stereo and that 22w X 4 is more like 8-10w X 4 RMS. There are really only two categories of power output standard output or a high output. No matter what brand you buy get the high output model and you will be able to play it plenty loud for a sail boat. I think my Pioneer is claimed to be 22w X 4ch and I paid $169.00 for it. My current stereo has an AUX input and also the option to add a Pioneer integrated iPod interface. I prefer to use the rear mounted AUX input for my iPod as opposed to the iPod interface. I do this for one reason and that's because we have a radio frequency (RF) remote control for the iPod (see below). When searching for car stereos it's important to decide wether you want to control the volume from the stereo or the iPod. I prefer the iPod controling the volume and therefore use the rear AUX input. The AUX input gets it's signal from the variable headphone jack located on the top of the iPod. It's easy to set up. Just turn your stereo up to about 80% volume +/- and leave it there. You can now turn the volume up and down via the iPod. Make sure you turn it down before you switch to the FM radio though. If you choose an iPod interface to connect your iPod they connect through the bottom dock connector and send a pre-out fixed level output. This forces you to control the iPod volume through the car stereo. Most car stereos come with a remote control option but keep in mind these remotes are IR (infrared) or line of sight meaning they are virtually useless from the helm and you physicall need to point the remote at the stereo like a TV to change the volume! So in summary there are two output paths on an iPod. The first option is from the bottom or "dock" connector and is a fixed pre-out volume level. The benefit in using this connector, with an interface, is that if you buy the additional iPod adapter from the stereo manufacturer like Alpine, Pioneer, Sony, Kenwood etc. you'll have only one cable feeding your iPod. That one cable will feed the audio signal to the stereo and charge your iPod at the same time. The other audio output path is on the top of the iPod in the form of a headphone jack. This output is variable and will allow the volume to be adjusted with a wireless iPod remote control like the one in the link below. Using this method will require two cables to the iPod one for the music signal and one for charging. When deciding on the type of stereo with AUX input to buy keep in mind that a front mounted AUX input will have the audio path plug sticking out the front side of your stereo and connecting to the iPod. This is dangerous on a boat and can be easily broken off by someone adjusting the stereo volume in a sea. I recommend stereos with the AUX input on the rear side of the stereo and wiring the iPod directly to that. You can usually read the specs, of each stereo online, to determine if the AUX input is front mounted or rear mounted. My first iPod stereo had a front mounted AUX input so it's easy to tell where this rear AUX input advice comes from!! Step 2 - Consider an iPod Remote! The remote we use is made by ABT and is called the iJet. It's a RF (radio frequency) not a line of site IR (infrared) remote like a TV remote so it will work from anywhere on the boat without having to point it at the stereo. Mine will work to about 60 feet away. The iJet consists of two parts, a receiver, which plugs into either the bottom, on 5G (G=generation) iPods or the top of 3G & 4G ipods and a remote control FOB. The actual remote is the size of a key FOB for a car and will allow you to adjust volume, track up & down, turn the iPod on & off and pause/play. See the link below for the iPod remote. iPod RF Remote Control http://www.abtech2.com/ This device is by far the best $40.00 I have ever spent on my boat. It allows me to velcro the water resistant remote to my pedestal and keep my iPod mounted next to my stereo, in the cabin, dry and safe. Step 4- iPod mounting - You will need to decide where you are going to keep your iPod. The easiest solution, I found, is next to the stereo on a strong aluminum powdercoated pedestal bracket made by a company called Panavise. The model is a Slimline - Model 727-06 at the link below. Pananvise Bracket Link http://www.panavise.com/f/comm/cell_slimline.html The second product connects to the Panavise pedestal and actually grips and holds the iPod. It's called a Gripmatic CM30 and it bolts directly to the Panavise (the holes are already drilled on the Panavise to fit the Gripmatic) and holds the iPod perfectly. Don't just use the links I posted for buying these items search around for the best price as they vary widely. The links are for illustration purposes only. I think I paid $15.00 for the Panavise and $9.95 for the Gripmatic. Gripmatic iPod Holder http://www.expansys.no/p.aspx?i=106158 Step 5 - Organize your iPod by either playlists or genre. I use both of these methods but really prefer to play music by genre with shuffle turned on. iTunes software allows you to make up a genre too. I actually have one I call Rap/Funk/Soul it consists of bands like Spearhead and G.Love & the Special Sauce. For my Jazz collection I broke it down into three categories New Jazz (Larry Carlton, Lee Ritenauer etc.), Traditional Jazz (Thelonius Monk, Dave Brubeck, Miles Davis etc.), Vocal Jazz (Diana Krall, Liz Wright, Norah Jones etc.) and Classic Vocal Jazz (Sinatra, Tony Bennett etc.). Organizing by genre is easy and will play music by style or your mood. We like reading and drinking our coffee, in the morning, to Classic Jazz but like sailing to weather listening Bluegrass. The key is to organize it. If a song comes up you don't like just hit the ABT iJet, from the hel, and skip a song... You can see the Panavise, Gripmatic and the iJet receiver for the remote control (plugged into the top of the iPod) in the picture below. Good luck you'll love boating with your iPod. Have fun!!!!!!!
 

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Rick A

Great Article

Answers some of my questions as I planned on using an Ipod on my boat. I was considering getting a portable stereo rather than a car stereo for it to mount into. Uses either D cells or an A/C plug in (inverter?) Not so sure if the sound would be as good as you can get with a car deck. Comments?
 
Oct 15, 2004
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Oday 34 Wauwatosa, WI
Ipod is great for the boat -

only two things I would add to Rod's post. I would like to add a flatscreen to watch videos from the iPod while we are docked. Ditto everything about the car stereo being the way to go. Second - a question for Rod - how are you going to live without that super cool new Apple iPhone? iPod/cellphone/computer/video player all in one with an unbelievable touchscreen interface. If this isn't the coolest thing to come down the pike recently, I don't know what is! www.apple.com -- Scott
 

Manny

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Oct 5, 2006
983
Hunter 82? 37 Cutter Wherever the wind takes me
Greatest thing since sliced bread

The very first project on my boat was to get the Ipod working. It was made easy by the fact that there was a 100 watt car amp already installed. A simple mini jack to rca conversion cable was all that was needed. A friend with an O'Day was so envious we recreated the same system on his boat and he is as happy as could be. I also picked up an XM MyFi and just unplug the Ipod and plug that in when the mood strikes. Now my friend with the O'day wants me to help him hook up his Sirius receiver!!!! Now if I could get the new Iphone... Manny
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,081
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Complicated instructions for a simple

idea of having music on your boat is really weird. U wrote: "I can assure you they are not complicated and, in fact, can give you the freedom from lugging those Case Logic binders full of CD's and then running up and down the companionway to change a CD every 30 - 40 minutes" Darn, I went from records to cassette tapes and thought that CD's were the pick of the litter because they were so "narrow and thin." I could put 20 CD's in the same space as 5 cassettes. Then U come along and tell me I can put 4 million years of song on a machine as small as one of my parents' cigarette boxes? Nay, I say. Can't be done matey! How could anyone conceive of miniaturizing a BIG record album down to something smaller than a matchstick? It just can't be done. PS I'm really looking for a machine that can transfer my records (vinyl) to CDAs or MP3s. You find it, I buy it, you wire it, we listen to the grooves...scratch,,,scratch,,,sctratch, tick... PSS Sometimes my favorite mate suggests that anyone who brings a TV on a boat is NOT really on a boat...I have to resist the urge to make the parallel about the boat being a summer house on Super Bowl weekends vs really "roughing it"
 

NYSail

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Jan 6, 2006
3,145
Beneteau 423 Mt. Sinai, NY
Record Transfer system

I recently read about new turn table that transfers vinynl to Digital....plugs right into your computer. I plan on getting it as I have hundreds of albums in my collection. When I find where I saw to purchase the product, I will post it. I just got my first ipod and yes it is easy and great. I already have 35+ cd,s on it with a good bunch more to go. Thanks for the information Maine Sail! Also, I too am interseted in getting a screan to plug my ipod into so I can watch the occasional movie. I was told that a flat pannel computer monitor will suffice for this with addapters purchased at the apple store. Greg
 
Mar 18, 2006
147
Catalina 25 Standard/Fin Keel Grand Lake, OK
I Don't Have an IPOD, but

Well I don't have the IPOD, but do have an I-River player. I guess I went the simpler and cheaper route. I bought the FM Mini transmitter from BB and it plugs into the 12v power outlet in the cabin. Then it plugs into the headset plug on the player and transmits FM signals to the CD/FM Radio Player that is 8 inches away. I then tune the FM Radio to the same frequency that the mini transmitter is on and...wallah all the music I could ever want. To keep the I-River from becoming damaged, I slide it into a foam sleeve ($2.99 or less at the local Wally World.) made for keeping beer cold. Don't worry, I have more sleeves for the beer. The only drawback that I have is what has been indicated. The remote for the CD Player/FM radio line of sight. So if I, or the Admiral want another song or skip one, she makes the changes. ;-) I also highly recommend the following CD. If you are on board whether sailing or just sitting at the dock, it is great music. Don't let the bluegrass scare you off, it is not what you think. http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?PID=1038615
 

Rick I

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Jan 6, 2007
414
CS36Merlin and Beneteau 393 - Toronto
Aux in in the back?

Maine Sail, Thanks for some great info. I've been contemplating this for a long time but have been put off thinking I needed a new stereo with a MP3 input at the front. Right now I have a 4 channel car stereo (middle of the line) supposed to be 100w.with a cd slot in it. It has a ir remote which I don't use. I have always been scared of all those wires coming out of the back of the thing. Will this unit (forget the brand and the boat's in FL.) have an aux in at the back?
 
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ipod, wow, wow,wow,wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wow, thanks for the techno advise. I just got an 80g ipod video for christmas. Been spending some time downloading music, love it, the sound with the earbuds is unbelievable. (mental reminder-get new bose speakers for computer) Using itunes to copy my cds is idiot pruff. I did it! Why would you want to spend thousands of hours coppying vinyl to digital? I can usually find just aboput any song online quick. Someone has already done it for you. I know, what do you do with all those records? Maybe target practice? How i got my ipod is, my fiance bought me a new 300 cd player for the home stereo, i took it back- now i can take my cd's everywhere. I know...what do i do with all those cd's? More target practice. Hey i have a "marine" cd changer. anyone interested in it? Its brand new, never installed, changes 6 cd's!! I am so thankful for the install information!! I am refitting a new old 25oday and good tunes are the first (almost) on my list. I had to buy new sails first. Anyway, i was looking for one of those wireless remotes for my marine stereo- over $80. on ebay if i can find one. The rf (radio frequency) remote that you linked us too is way too cool. Evidently they are being discontinued? Probably for the model with two way capabilities- even has a little screen to see song title, artist, genre.... I think you can even select playlists from your cocpit pedistle?!!! All you "not techno" people out there, gotta check it out if you like music. Don't worry if you have trouble your grandkids can set you up! Thanks again, Patrick
 
Jul 24, 2006
628
Legnos, Starwind, Regal Mystic 30 cutter, 22 trailer sailor, bow rider NEW PORT RICHEY, FL
more stuff

hey i forgot to ask you about the output devices, ie speakers? With all that wonderful equiptment, what do you play them through. I suspect that "marine" in this case is imperative? Do you use a power amp for the bass, and subwoofers. I bought one 10" marine sub, don't know if i wil use it though? I should have just bought some good 6x9 coaxials? Let me know, PLEASE!!!! Lve music on the sailboat, Buffet anyone? Patrick
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
SOB, no more Album covers to look at

With a lifetime supply of music in my pocket I guess I will not have the opportunity look for seceret messages on the album covers any more. Has anyone figured out how to play an MP3 backwards so we can listen to the secret messages?
 
Aug 9, 2005
772
Hunter 28.5 Palm Coast, FL
Do you think they said to Joshua Slocum...

I wonder what Colunbus would think?
 
Nov 26, 2005
58
Hunter 27 New London, CT
Couldn't agree more

I put in a very similar system last year but I did spring for a "marinized" stereo. I know better now I guess. With over 3000 songs and 100 playlists, I always have something nice to listen to. It is also something my teenage daughter (who sails with me if we don't leave before noon...) and I share. We both record playlists of music on our individual iPods that we think we will both like but the other may not have heard. Anything that helps you stay close to your teenager is a good thing. I don't have that remote yet but will have it before launch this spring. Try listening to some Jack Johnson when you are out there on a moderately windy day and just cruising along. To me he's kind of a current-day Jimmy Buffet (and I am old enough to have seen Jimmy Buffet 30 years ago).
 
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Alex

Music on boat

I got a RCA Lyra MP3 player with line-in recording capability. I recorded lots of favourite music DVD (rightful owner) into MP3 and burn them into MP3CDs. Best Buy has a Pioneer MP3 CD player DEH-P4800MP on Boxing day sale. Added 2 pairs (4) Pioneer speakers also on Boxing day sale. The player is really good with an Aux-IN in the back. I can plug a laptop or DVD player to watch movies and pipe the sound to the CD players. The player also support iPod, XM radio and wireless remote. Neat and economical package.
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
732
other 12 wet water
Ipods

are great thats for sure. Just be sure to back them up on your computer. Ipods get lost easily. I haven't read your installation instructions for doing the Ipod but in the time it would take me to read your thread, the wife had the music playing on the radio. So it has to be easier than the way you explain. I have heard about batteries wearing out. Not being able to take a charge and hold it. I have not experienced that problem yet and I hope not to. It's the only way to listen to what you want and when you want. Keep it up, Ctskip
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,187
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
*Sigh*

OK, so what is the best bet to get my 250 CD collection digitized? I asked a computer science professor if he knew of any device that would link my player to my computer so that I could just leave it on and digitize the whole collection. He replied it is technically possible but believed there was no such device being produced, probably because of licensing/copyright issues. So, other than just finding time to do 250, any other ideas? Seriously, I have resisted buying any more CD's since aquiring and keeping music in a hard drive only makes sense. Rick D.
 
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Professor?

My kid shown me how. May be the professor not young enough to know this. Microsoft Windows Media Player, Nero, WinAmp and a few hundreds of such free downloads on the Internet. Most likely you already has the tool on your PC. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/windowsmediaplayer/getstarted/ripcd.mspx
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
732
other 12 wet water
we have the technology

If we can take a vinyl record and a cassette tape and put them on a cd I'm sure there is a way (or device) to transfer your cds to a Ipod. Keep looking and visit several good quality stereo shops. I'm sure they can set you up with something. I'm all fimngers when it comes to computers. Good luck and by all means, Keep it up, Ctskip
 
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