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abk

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Aug 9, 2007
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Hunter H 26 Somers Point, NJ
IPhone, SCHMIPHONE.... bought a Android ego last august. The EVO model AND IT ISN'T OBSOLETE YET! Unlike most technology items I buy which are good for 2 weeks. I bought the Navionics US east app. its a chartplotter with gps all in one. You can set waypoints and it saves your tracks too. It is just great, the phone and the application...
 

igor

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Sep 25, 2008
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Catalina 30 Baltimore
We will be getting an ipad soon and want to download a chart plotter app. Which is better, Navionics or iNavX? Navionics is cheaper, but reviews saw the software has flaws and that the charting is inacurate. INAV is a lot more expensive but has very favorable reviews. Is it worth the extra money?

I have both on my Iphone, but honestly, prefer to use INAVx. To me it looks more like the regular charts, and so it's easier to decipher.

I do like the simplicity of Navionix. Reports also say that Navionics does load up new maps a bit quicker than INAVx. In the end - they do almost the same things.

I would try them both out - and see what you prefer. Afterall - $49 for a backup navigational and chart app is not that bad, especially when it comes with ALL the charts!
 

John

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Jun 3, 2006
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Catalina 36mkII Alameda CA
Droid vs. iPhone

I get the impression that there are a good deal more sailing-related apps for iPhone than for the droid. Is this true? Do people think this will be the case for very long?
 

Dship

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Mar 22, 2011
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Hylas 46 Fort Lauderdale
Re Great Apps

Navionics is $$ but by far my most used app, WindGuru is excellent for wind forecasting, Hurricane is excellent for tracking named storms and AyeTides and Day Tides good for currents and tides. And Weatherbug to track fronts by radar...which is more accurate then our $400 a year subscription to Sirius Sat. Weather on our Raymarine E series. Note, apps even better when used on iPad.
 
Jun 3, 2004
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'79 Hunter 33' HUN33190M79L Olympia
Not to be too pedantic, but "Droid" is not short for "Android." You don't want to ask about "Droid" apps, there is no such thing. "Droid" is the name Motorola gives to their phones that run the Android system. There are numerous other companies' phones that run the Android system none of which of referred to as Droid phones. There's the Blackberry operating system running a distant third. I think Android leads in numbers of users, ahead the iOS at this point in time, while the iOS holds a strong lead in number of apps available.
 
Sep 27, 2008
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Oday 27 Solomon's Island
Apple thanks you all for my new purchases from the App Store.

I use Tide Graph by Brainware, very nice interface to drag a bubble along the graph for time and heights or just use the tide table if you choose. Quick forward and backward navigation of days. Two other apps I use are SunriseSunset lite and Boat Check (for checklists - everything from packing to startup, etc.). I am pretty excited about trying all the new stuff I just downloaded.. thanks everyone, great thread!
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Jul 26, 2010
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Hunter 23 South Haven, MI
@John, I searched on the Android market for "Sailing" and turned up 124 results while "Boat" turned up 228 results. I tried to find a way to search for iPhone apps to compare, but it appears there's no web search for the iTunes App Store, lame.

There are already some really useful, high quality apps dedicated to boating and sailing on Android. I don't think that just having 30 wind apps necessarily means that the 10 on Android are somehow inferior. Sure, there's always room for more dedicated sailing apps on Android, but I've been very happy using my Android phone while sailing and have tried out several different apps already for various tasks.

Here's a search on the Android Market for "Sailing" so you can browse what apps are available now. I guess to find iPhone apps you'd have to infest your computer with iTunes. ;-)

https://market.android.com/search?q=sailing&c=apps

Oh, and if number of apps is your litmus test, I don't think iPhone will have the most for much longer...
http://www.securityweek.com/study-shows-android-market-outpacing-apple-app-store-growth-apps-3x
 
Dec 4, 2010
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hunter 31 tampa area
well worth the money

We will be getting an ipad soon and want to download a chart plotter app. Which is better, Navionics or iNavX? Navionics is cheaper, but reviews saw the software has flaws and that the charting is inacurate. INAV is a lot more expensive but has very favorable reviews. Is it worth the extra money?
inavx is well worth the $49. Having been aground before I am convinced it is worth it. Absolutely on track.
 
Jul 1, 2004
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Hunter 40 St. Petersburg
I love your use of irony

@John, I searched on the Android market for "Sailing" and turned up 124 results while "Boat" turned up 228 results. I tried to find a way to search for iPhone apps to compare, but it appears there's no web search for the iTunes App Store, lame.

There are already some really useful, high quality apps dedicated to boating and sailing on Android. I don't think that just having 30 wind apps necessarily means that the 10 on Android are somehow inferior. Sure, there's always room for more dedicated sailing apps on Android, but I've been very happy using my Android phone while sailing and have tried out several different apps already for various tasks.

Here's a search on the Android Market for "Sailing" so you can browse what apps are available now. I guess to find iPhone apps you'd have to infest your computer with iTunes. ;-)

https://market.android.com/search?q=sailing&c=apps

Oh, and if number of apps is your litmus test, I don't think iPhone will have the most for much longer...
http://www.securityweek.com/study-shows-android-market-outpacing-apple-app-store-growth-apps-3x
in being concerned about 'infesting' your Windows machine. Priceless.

Your post might carry more weight if you could make up your mind regarding the whole 'quality vs. quantity' thing when opining about available apps.

I've never used Android. I'm sure it's fine. I won't bash it simply because it wasn't my choice.
 
Sep 12, 2010
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Beneteau 373 moored
Re: I love your use of irony

If your looking for compatibility and speed, just buy and iPhone. While there are plenty of Android phones out there the compatibility and certification is very limited. Apple iPhones / iPads provide a consistent platform for developers to test on. Case in point is my dockmate bought a Android phone and downloaded the navionics app. It didn't work, so first he called google which sent him to HDC (the maker of the phone) who eventually sent him to the developer.. which acknowledged the app didn't work on the phone.

Much like game consoles iPhones / iPads provide a consistent platform for development that ensure apps work on all devices..

And iPhones / iPads are faster, not just because of the article below

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/

But because most Android apps run "interpreted" code, where instructions are not native to the CPU so that 1GHz ARM processor may only be actually executing instructions at 80 Mhz..

So given the continuity between hardware / operating system / application development the iPhone / iPad devices are the ones that come out ahead.
 
Jul 26, 2010
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Hunter 23 South Haven, MI
I'll agree that Android is the more diverse ecosystem for hardware selection and that has pluses as well as minuses.

If you want an Android phone with a real keyboard, there's 20 to choose from, if you want one with a large 4" or bigger touch screen, there's 5 or 6 different models out right now, if you want one with an HDMI port, there's several of them, if you want to wifi tether to your laptop, a bunch do that too. By restricting to a couple models of hardware, Apple's accessories ecosystem has a lot more selection since there are 100's of case choices that all fit the same form factor.

Along with the diversity of hardware comes manufactures pushing out junk hardware along with the good stuff, I don't know what phone darkaegisagain's dockmate had, but there are some pretty crappy low end Android phones like the HTC Eris, LG Ally, Motorola Cliq, etc that crash whenever you throw any decent app at them. They are priced as such, free to $50 which is usually a good sign to avoid them. The old adage,"You get what you pay for" is really true in Android phones.

As for the comments regarding the speed, that hasn't been true... ever actually, I couldn't find ONE article showing a speed difference between equivalent apps on both platforms and in my own testing of multiple apps on both platforms, I haven't seen any real speed differences either. But even less true now than in 2009 when your article is linked (which is showing gen 1 Android phones, btw). The Android Dalvik executes JAVA interpreted code, but that's only one way to build an app on Android (not that it's much of a factor on speed like you imply with the 1ghz to 80mhz scenario, the Android Dalvik is actually extremely fast). The Android NDK which allows developers to write native code has been available for almost 2 years now (http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk). Developers have the choice of using either method or even mixing libraries to optimize performance while still developing much more rapidly using JAVA and the Android SDK than having to write native code for their entire application.

Anyway, I'm not trying to say iPhone is bad or even a worse choice than Android, don't get me wrong, I just didn't like the implication that there's nothing available on Android and it's an inferior hardware choice. There are plenty of sailing/boating apps on Android, some are really great, some aren't. I'd say right now, today, there are more high quality sailing apps on iOS than on Android since developers have had a year longer to write iOS apps than Android. Will that continue be true in a year, now that Android marketshare is above iOS..... stay tuned.
 

John

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Jun 3, 2006
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Catalina 36mkII Alameda CA
Question to Paladin

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Along with the diversity of hardware comes manufactures pushing out junk hardware along with the good stuff, I don't know what phone darkaegisagain's dockmate had, but there are some pretty crappy low end Android phones like the HTC Eris, LG Ally, Motorola Cliq, etc that crash whenever you throw any decent app at them. They are priced as such, free to $50 which is usually a good sign to avoid them. The old adage,"You get what you pay for" is really true in Android phones.

Paladin: You seem pretty knowledgeable about these phones. I'm looking at the "Droid X" by Motorola and reading the reviews on Amazon. They seem in the main to be pretty positive, as they are on the HTC phone (the "Incredible"). Any comments or other reviews you (or anybody else) can refer me to? Any further thoughts?
 
Jul 26, 2010
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Hunter 23 South Haven, MI
@John, if I had to pick an Android phone today on Verizon it would be the HTC Thunderbolt or the Droid 2 Global depending if I was looking for a HUGE 4.3" screen or a physical keyboard. The Droid X is also a good phone but it's getting a little long in the tooth and the Thunderbolt is the same form factor (huge screen, no physical keyboard) as the Droid X or the even older Droid Incredible.

I am personally a fan of having a slide out physical keyboard because I do a lot of email and messaging, so for me the choice would be the Droid 2 Global, which has CDMA AND GSM so you can use it anywhere in the world! Any of the phones I mentioned above are good choices for an Android based phone. Just don't get a Droid Eris, what a freakin AWEFUL abomination of hardware and also the LG Ally is another one to stay FAR FAR away from. Good rule of thumb is if the phone is < $50, it's probably crap, I'd even be leary of any of the sub $100 ones.
 
Jun 3, 2004
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'79 Hunter 33' HUN33190M79L Olympia
Good rule of thumb is if the phone is < $50, it's probably crap, I'd even be leary of any of the sub $100 ones.
Oh, I don't know. I have the LG Optimus, cost me $49. I thought the bigger phones were too dang big to carry around in a pocket. The Optimus works great, runs Navionics fine. It runs the latest Android operating system. It's hit the ground hard twice now with no damage. I'd recommend it.
 

igor

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Sep 25, 2008
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Catalina 30 Baltimore
FYI - In this moth's BoatUS magazine, there is a whole feature devoted to APPS for boaters. Enjoy!
 
Sep 12, 2010
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Beneteau 373 moored
"you get what you pay for" is right. But at the end with a 2 year contract the cost is about the same regardless of which phone you buy. As an app developer I stand by my assertion that if you are targeting the largest % of Android devices you will not use the NDK. So it will be interpreted and at an average of 10-12 native instructions per interpreted instruction you will run at 1/12 the speed of native code.. which consumes more power and then there is all that thunking back and forth between native and non-native interfaces.


But aside from all the harsh technical details.

My favorite app is the Navionics maps application, this is the one app in my opinion people should buy. The user interface could do so much more though, but compared to my Garmin handheld GPS it wins on simplicity and speed. The charts and tides app should have just been an upgrade to this app.

I would like to try the iNavX app. I think one thing that is lacking is the support for a the GPS antenna from NavX. They sell one and the iPad supports a USB dongle, why they haven't taken this step is beyond me.

Ship finder is a another app worth getting if your in a congested channel and your running at night... its good to know what is out there if you don't have AIS installed on your boat. But I admit I don't use it that much.
 
Jun 3, 2004
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'79 Hunter 33' HUN33190M79L Olympia
Oh, I don't know. I have the LG Optimus, cost me $49. I thought the bigger phones were too dang big to carry around in a pocket. The Optimus works great, runs Navionics fine. It runs the latest Android operating system. It's hit the ground hard twice now with no damage. I'd recommend it.
I thought I'd add, the LG Optimus is nice and compact, sllim, fits well in a pocket, yet the screen on it is larger than my Garmin hand held! I thought I might have a hard time without a physical keyboard, but the Android screen keyboard does a very good job of predicting words and so forth and I can type pretty fast with it. Doubt if I would be any faster with a physical keyboard.
 
Dec 2, 1997
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So I've discovered...

I finally broke down and bought an iPhone 3 weeks ago...handy li'l gadget!

'Angry Birds" will waste a considerable amount of time while you should be doing something productive....
Prob'ly the best time waster to come along since Win95 introduced us to FreeCell.

And it also EATS your battery!

If anyone reading this is intimately familar with Ringtone Creator Pro, PULEEEZE email me? I've watched the d'd U-tube step by step instruction video a dozen times but cannot make the very last step before "sync' happen...and I know it's because I'm missing a very small, very stupid detail!
 
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