IPADS,GPS, VHF, new guy

Feb 1, 2006
114
oday 22 on trailer Asheville NC
Planning to return to Charlotte Harbor this April to further roam and stay out a few nites to experience and practice cruising. I been reading posts on the above, seems a , Android 3g/4g IPAD will have internal A-GPS is popular. What does the A stand for ? Does a 7 or 8 inch tablet capable of showing a marine chart or is the screen too small or will I have to use my water resistant chart #0E1 I purchased in 2008 ? It seems pretty large to handle 25" x 38" on my little O'day 22. Please continue next post.
David S
 
Feb 1, 2006
114
oday 22 on trailer Asheville NC
IPADS,GPS, VHF, DEPTH Finder, new guy

Please read my other post first !!! If I take too long typing a post it disappears, so I submitted. To continue, can I use it for VHF and channel 16 ? Will it give me local marine weather and tides ? Is it possible to give me depth readings or would a cheap fish finder have depth readings be simpler ? My boats compass seems to be accurate. Will my 2008 charts magnetic var.,be close enough or should I get a new chart for 2014 ?
With all these questions it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see I am a GREEN NEWBIE. I see there are several sailboat owners in the Punta Gorda area that often post on this website and I would like to meet some of you folks when I am in the area.

Happy sailing, David S
 
Dec 19, 2006
5,832
Hunter 36 Punta Gorda
Cruising south

Well I really can't help with the Ipad and not having one but I do have Iphone with all kinds of great weather reporting and Navionics charting with depth and all kinds of chartplotter info.
We the PGSC are heading south for about 3 weeks with about 20 some sailboats
and even a few powerboats too.
There is a April meeting on April 9 at the PG civic center at 6:30 at should be plenty of members to talk to for sure,look on the PGSC web site for more info.
Nick
 
Jan 22, 2008
423
Catalina 30 Mandeville, La.
A -GPS is Assisted GPS, it means the GPS receiver uses something else to help with the fix. It may be WiFi dat or cell phone provider data that would narrow the fix and speed up an accurate GPS fix. Lots of people here use tablets for navigation. For me, I use a mixture of paper charts & electronic. I have an android tablet and have loaded the free NOAA application and all charts from the gulf of mexico. The built in GPS of the tablet would be better if the application was a little more user friendly to plot a course on. I have a Garmin chartplotter that is super simple and the primary navigational tool I use. The paper charts consist of a mix of recent and older charts plus cruising guides.

There may be some complicated methods to interface a wireless tablet to ship's instruments, but a simple fish finder will be much easier on the pocketbook. You can't use a tablet to replace the VHF, but you may be able to interface a wired connection and deliver NMEA data to your VHF for DSC, but again, more trouble/money, and no doubt less reliable. If that's your intention, just get a relatively cheap handheld GPS and use that. The single best thing you can do for VHF performance is to put the antenna as high as possible. A typical VHf transceiver with antenna at the masthead will perform well.

I like not depending so much on a single device to do everything because when it fails, everything is failed. That's why I keep a tablet, chartplotter, two handheld GPS's. 3 VHF radios, cellphones, paper charts, cruising guides, compass & a sextant that I forgot how to use.


I rarely venture beyond sight of land and could generally get where I need to go without any of the above. I used to do it without as much on my H23.5, but I wasn't worried about running aground.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Please read my other post first !!! If I take too long typing a post it disappears, so I submitted. To continue, can I use it for VHF and channel 16 ? Will it give me local marine weather and tides ? Is it possible to give me depth readings or would a cheap fish finder have depth readings be simpler ? My boats compass seems to be accurate. Will my 2008 charts magnetic var.,be close enough or should I get a new chart for 2014 ? With all these questions it shouldn't take a rocket scientist to see I am a GREEN NEWBIE. I see there are several sailboat owners in the Punta Gorda area that often post on this website and I would like to meet some of you folks when I am in the area. Happy sailing, David S
Can't use an IPad as a VHF radio as far as I know. If you have a battery on your 22 a fixed mount 25 watt VHF and fixed antenna will be a great safety addition. VHF will give you marine weather as well. IPad will not give you depth without expensive transducer addition. I bought a nice lowrance fish finder for $79. Compass and chart are all that is necessary to navigate. Columbus and Ponce De Leon didn't even have those. Old chart will be fine. Peace river 3A has moved, but that is the only change that comes to mind. IPad will get you tides on line, I don't know of any downloadable tide tables. You will of course have to be on line for weather. Two good local apps are wink tv and Nbc-2. Weather underground, accu weather and the weather channel also do well at local conditions. Navionics and Garmin both have downloadable charts for navigation off line if you have a cell phone capable IPad . IPad can be difficult to see with Polaroids in bright sun. Oh! Bimini will be useful. Sun will be fierce on pale northern skin and you will be out in it from dawn till dark.

Give a shout when you are here and do try to make the meeting that Nick suggested.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Most good charting programs have tides and currents also
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,788
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
I am never out of site of land in our bay but do need to know depths and where the channel is at times.
When I just want to look over an area while home I use a paper chart. On the boat I use an iPad and iPhone. I like Navionics US HD best for charting and it does weather & tides. I also use weatherbug, which has a lightening warning, PocketGrib for winds and Radarcast for weather warnings. I use all of them on both my iPad and iPhone so a 7" device should work just fine also.
In the Barnegat Bay, NJ my iPad GPS is quite accurate. It shows me where I am on the chart and the depths are pretty close.
I have a Hummingbird depth finder but only use it when I need to sneak through a shallow area. Of course, I only draw 2.3ft of draft.
I would go with a handheld VHF radio that floats before I would go with a mounted radio but then I am in an area with good coverage and use my cell phone for things like calling BoatUS. If I am by myself in rougher weather I clip my radio to my PFD so I do go off the boat, I have it with me.
 
Mar 28, 2007
637
Oday 23 Anna Maria Isl.
It is amazing how well one can sail SW Florida with Navonics downloaded on a large smart phone. (and a good basic depth sounder)
 
Nov 8, 2007
1,593
Hunter 27_75-84 Sandusky Harbor Marina, Ohio
iPhone, depth gauge, compass, hand-held VHS

We went from Sandusky to the North Channel and back with a hand held plotting Garmin GPS, Navionics on an iPhone, a depth gauge, and our regular VHS radio with a mast-top antenna four years ago. Two years ago, we added a hand-held VHS, since our cockpit mike for the older one gave up.

Based on our experience, I would have no problem going anywhere in the Great Lakes with

- iPhone with Navionics, weather forecasting, and weather radar apps
- depth gauge
- compass
- hand-held VHS

I assume it would be pretty much the same in Florida. (I have chartered in the Keys, but that is all.) The only issue would be the VHS won't have much transmit range, but it will be fine for talking to marinas when entering, and the NOAA and Coast Guard radios have very high antennas, so our hand-held works most of the time we need a radio.

I do recommend a set of paper charts to back up Navionics, and give you the big picture.
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Wow- lots of Punta Gorda folks here. Any of you know my friend Tom Scott and his Morgan 30 Whimsey?
Yes, Mary and I know Tom. Used to beat us on the racecourse till we quit racing.
 
Nov 9, 2008
1,338
Pearson-O'Day 290 Portland Maine
Dave,

A compass, a GPS (Tablet or not) and a paper charts are all you need. Depth is great too but not required if you follow the buoys and pay attention to your other instruments. A 2OZ fishing weigh on the end of some Walmart rope did the trick for us for several years. We live in Maine with many ledges, outcroppings and rocky shallows. Consider printing the NOAA Booklet Charts. They're free, accurate, and designed for sailors like us with limited room. You put them in clear protectors in a three-ring binder and they take up little space. Great for navigating, not for planning. Be sure your nav lights are working and especially sure of you mast light. It MUST me on if you aren't on a registered mooring. Y'know, one thing that you really should do, if you haven't already, is take the Sailing and Seamanship course from you local USCGA Power Squadron. It's about $75 but worth every penny in teaching the ropes of sailing on inhabited waters, the kind where there are other boats, many of which are skippered by guys who DIDN'T take the course.

Don
 
Jan 22, 2008
1,483
Hunter 37 C sloop Punta Gorda FL
Dave,

A compass, a GPS (Tablet or not) and a paper charts are all you
Don
chart 1126 Charlotte Harbor clearly states soundings from the 1900's. Depth sounder is necessary. Second to classes also from Power Squadron .
 

Sailm8

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Feb 21, 2008
1,750
Hunter 29.5 Punta Gorda
Back in the 90's my wife and I spent many weeks in the Keys on our C22 with only a depth sounder, handheld gps charts book and handheld VHS. We now live on Charlotte Harbor using the an ipad, VHS and depth sounder. Sailing is easy and the bottom is mostly muck. If you have a swing keel, no worries. Just crank it up and back off. Use Activecaptain, cruisersnet for info about anchorages. I also have several tide apps on my phone. Here is a link to the Punta Gorda Sailing Club siite: http://www.pgscweb.com
 
May 4, 2005
4,062
Macgregor 26d Ft Lauderdale, Fl
fwiw, the IPAD w/ 3g has built in gps. wifi only does not.

'bad elf' sells a 30pin or lightning plug in gps add on. (-I have not bought one yet, but read good reviews...)


(had I to do over, I would have gotten the 3g, and not enabled the cell )
 
Feb 1, 2006
114
oday 22 on trailer Asheville NC
Tablets for Marine Use ?

chart 1126 Charlotte Harbor clearly states soundings from the 1900's. Depth sounder is necessary. Second to classes also from Power Squadron .
describner, you mentioned using tablet. I visited local Best Buy, and tried asking a lot of ?'s about tablets and he seemed to say it might not be very good for marine boating use. But I wasn't happy with his info, I think he is not knowledgeable about tablets for marine use. I am still stuck here w/ a bunch NC mountaineers, so would some of you flat land mariners elaborate on tablet brands and what all can be used with a tablet? What provider has the best reception in PG and down towards Sanibel ?

David S

P S , I should have replied to your #15 post. DS