International Certificate for Bareboating

Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
I don't disagree that there are some paper licensed captains out there who don't actually know how to drive a boat properly, but I do have a question about your specific example. Do you happen to know if that guy had a sailing endorsement on his masters ticket?
I don't recall if it that was ever mentioned. I do recall that the person did not get signed off on by ASA for its instructor's card. But a USCG sailing endorsement means correctly answering several more questions on the exam does it not; no skills requirement? One good thing about the ASA instructors clinic is that you need to show that you can singlehand the boat, which makes sense if you're going to be taking out students who do not know how to sail. It's not a class--it's a clinic to evaluate one's competency to instruct. Normally, folks first take a series of ASA courses to qualify for the instuctor's clinic. You can, however, "walk in" w/o those courses if the clinic's evaluator believes that you already have acquired the knowledge and skills. Regardless, it's something that one has to prepare for--not that easy.
 
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Nov 8, 2010
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Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
You are totally correct, chartering here in europe has become more regulated over the years, in the UK many smaller charterers will let you bareboat without any qualifications, you just need to demonstrate you know what you are doing! Europe is different, in Spain you can't bareboat without RYA Coastal Skipper, the International certificate of competence issued with Day Skipper is not acceptable. In Greece they accept the ICC for bareboat, for sailors with no qualifications the charter companies offer a one or two day course that results in a " certificate " of sorts that allows you to bareboat, Nielsons is one of these companies. I will happily ask my Nephew who is a base manager for Nielsons in the Ionian ( Greece ) for some more information if you want me to?
That’s not true. According to Spanish law, the skipper must be licensed for their own country, which the ICC was designed to do. I walked into 3 charter companies in Barcelona and all three were very happy with the ICC alone. If you have documentation to the contrary I’d be very happy to see it.
 
Oct 19, 2017
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O'Day Mariner 19 Littleton, NH
Maybe if there were a boater "courtesy endorsement" to go with the skills test. For example, how to anchor a respectful distance from your neighbors; how keep music low so only you can hear it; how to teach the dogs not to bark; and how to avoid annoying your neighbors with portable (or other) generators chugging alongthrough the day and half of the night, etc.,"
My brother has a vacation rental house and I am in the process of buying one. I suspect that the biggest problems boat rental companies have to deal with is the condition of the returned boat. They, therefore, love regulars. Customers they know are considerate of other people and their property.
I haven't seen a site like Travelocity that rates boat rental agencies and customers but, I imagine there is such a thing.
-Will
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
I’ve tried to rent sailboats three times. I have no paper qualifications at all, but I have a lot of time on the water in a variety of vessels, in a variety of roles. I've had more than a dozen boats of my own over the years, including home built.

The first place where I tried to rent a boat, just said no. This was for a 30-something foot boat in the Caribbean, back in the 1980's.

The second place rented me a boat after a short conversation, but gave me a boat with a damaged back stay. When the wind got over 6 or 8 knots, I ended my day sail early & brought it back. They didn’t think that a damaged back stay was really a cause for concern, but they voluntarily credited me for half the day’s rental fee anyway.

The third place said no at first, because they only rent to people who have gone through their own training course, but no course was available for more than a month. We wanted a boat that day or the next day. The place had plenty of 22-25’ boats available on the dock. When I pushed a little more, they eventually found someone to check me out. That person approved me before we even got off the docks, after it became apparent to him that I know more about sailing a boat than he did.

I then got instructions on how they wanted things done. We were given a restricted area in which to sail & I was told to radio in from a mile out & call them for a tow to the dock. They were horrified when I suggested that I could just sail in & do a drop-sail landing. I guess that they have never seen that done successfully. It was their boat, so I agreed to their standards.

A couple of hours later, we decided to drop sails & go for a swim. 10 minutes later, a semi-panicked guy on a jet ski came roaring over & asked us what our emergency was. I said that we didn’t have an emergency. He insisted that having our sails down was a distress signal & call for help. That was a new one on me. Perhaps that was part of their special training course. Perhaps the guy on the jet ski was a product of that course, with little other experience. He scolded us for having the sails down & insisted that we put them back up immediately or accept a tow back to the docks. We put the sails back up & sailed back in.

I haven’t tried to rent a sail boat since then.

I know of a place down in the keys that automatically includes the use of a 22’ sail boat with the rental of a bungalow from them.

The bottom line is this. Rental standards vary from place to place. Some sort of standardization has the potential to be a good thing, but I have concerns over what form that standardization might take.
 
Apr 8, 2016
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Beneteau 361 Clipper Garrucha, Spain
That’s not true. According to Spanish law, the skipper must be licensed for their own country, which the ICC was designed to do.
Jackdaw, yes, you are totally correct and appreciate you correcting my misinformation. I was just trying to give the member and overview of some of the differences within Europe when chartering and hadn't had my 2nd coffee at the time of writing:)

What I should have said was the ICC & RYA Day Skipper qualification is NOT accepted to operate as owner & skipper of a boat that is Spanish registered.
 
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Feb 17, 2006
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Lancer 27PS MCB Camp Pendleton KF6BL
This is more and more beginning to sound like the International Drivers License. I went on a business trip once and got an international Drivers License for that purpose. No test, no nothing. However, when I arrived at the rental place all they wanted to see what my US Drivers License.

My guess is one day no one will be able to visit Europe by boat unless they have some sort of internationally approved credential.
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
There are similar variations from state to state here in the US. Places like NJ require an endorsement on your driver's license before you can operate a boat there. Places like Florida pretty much let any adult drive any boat he can afford to buy, rent or borrow, without any proof of competency nor knowledge. Quite frankly, I'm surprised that we don't have more mishaps than we do in the Sunshine State.
 
Aug 22, 2017
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Hunter 26.5 West Palm Beach
This is more and more beginning to sound like the International Drivers License. I went on a business trip once and got an international Drivers License for that purpose. No test, no nothing. However, when I arrived at the rental place all they wanted to see what my US Drivers License.
The international driver's license is basically a translation of the info on your US license. It is supposed to be carried along with your US license. When you rent a car in Europe, the printed rental agreement fulfills the requirement of you having a local translation, so the international license would then be redundant. If you were to drive a non-rental car over there, then you would need the "international license". When I am in Europe on business & I drive a company car, I am required to have one. When I drive a privately owned car that I borrow from a friend over there, I am required to have one.
 
Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
When returned to St. Vincent following a 12-day charter on an Oceanis 500 in the 1990's, a staff member came out to meet us and take the boat into the harbor/marina. So, it's not really that uncommon.