Interesting one today..

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Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
So I get a call from a guy who owns a 24' center console and he's having charging issues. The boat is only three years old and the batteries are having trouble starting the motor. Like many of these small fishing boats they isolate the motor starting from house loads so they can shut down the motor and start it multiple times per day without dropping instruments, fish finders etc. to low voltage. This boat was no exception. It had two on/off switches and the owner had been using "combine" to start the motor..

So the marina diagnoses this as the need for a new alternator! "Alternators toast, you need a new one."....The alternator on a Yamaha 250HP four stroke is NOT cheap. Last night at about 8:00 I got to his boat for a second opinion. Well one battery was dead for sure but only because the marina forgot to connect the ground wire. The other one was at 12.1 volts. The ground wire was pinched under a piece of fiberglass and appeared to go to something but really it was supposed to tie to the second battery. Marina guy "assumed" the bank was connected but never tested it. Problem one solved, connect battery 2 ground wire, marina never caught it.:doh:

I then proceeded to test the batteries and they were literally toast. The boat has no shore charger or means of charging other than the engine. The batteries installed were also starting only batteries and one was being asked to do some deep cycling running radar, 10" plotter and a myriad of bait well pumps.

So I fire up the motor put my clamp meter on and the alt is putting out just 4 amps into two completely dead group 27 batteries. Here's where the marine made a mistake. The problem was not the alternator but rather HEAVILY sulfated batteries that would simply not accept any charge due to the massive sulfation on the plates.

So in went two new Sam's Club / Duracell group 27 batteries and miraculously the "dead" alternator is pumping out 26 amps at idle!!!!!

The marina's "estimate" was $1300.00 more than my entire bill and did not even include new batteries!!!!:eek: I am sure it would have once they realized the new alternator still pumped nothing into the batteries...

Batteries not accepting much current, when they should, is a sure sign they are heavily sulfated and toast...

Please always try to get a second opinion......
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,219
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
Quite different and rare to have someone who actually knows what he's doing in the boat maint business.. Nice Post, Maine
 
Mar 8, 2011
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Ranger 33 Norfolk
Quite different and rare to have someone who actually knows what he's doing in the boat maint business..
In any maintenance business, in my experience. . .hence the reason I do 99% of my own work on anything I own :D

Nice job MS ;)
 
Nov 23, 2011
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MacGregor 26D London Ontario Canada
I tell my prospective customers to get at least 3 quotes from different contractors and get at least 3 references from each contractor. Then CALL each reference. The smart ones don't go with only one quote.
 

cas206

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May 15, 2012
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Cal 27-3 Solomons
Gratz on making a happy customer and Thanks for letting the rest of us benefit for free.
 
May 6, 2012
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Hunter 28.5 Jordan, ON
As Reagan was fond of saying - 'Trust, but verify'.

A good diagnosis on your behalf Maine Sail.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
The word of mouth advertizing will be worth ten times the value of the job.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
The word of mouth advertizing will be worth ten times the value of the job.
I don't advertise.. All my work is word of mouth and I am waaaaaaaay behind because I am so busy... Threat people fairly, give them the job you would want done on your own boat, and the business promotes itself...

The problem for most who work on boats is that they treat it as a "job". I don't do this because I have to, I do it because I can and because I enjoy it...

The big point here is that many technicians do incomplete trouble shooting which can lead to expensive and costly unnecessary repairs.
 

Ctskip

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Sep 21, 2005
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other 12 wet water
I call them parts changers. They keep changing parts till either everything is new or they hit the one that needs replacing. Not bad work if you can get it but return customers are nowhere to be found.
Keep up the good work MS Ya make us proud
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
All too often technicians get in a hurry and find one symptom and believe that is the problem. Only when treating that symptom doesn't work do they dig deeper. Not unlike the question concerning a pecular GFCI problem that was here recently. That was a good time to trace each wire in the circuit.
 
Jun 6, 2006
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currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
And lets not forget the "buyer beware" concept. If you are absolutely clueless about the subject you can't tell if you are getting good info or not. Pays to be at least marginally proficient in the basics.
Heard my boss at the auto repair shop tell a customer that was being all PHDey that "well first off your A-fram is falling out, that is about $2000 just for the labor....... He replied "well yea, that is what I've been trying to tell you......" The boss just wanted the guy to go away and let him fix his car.
Moral of that story is if you are clueless it is better to keep your mouth shut and have others wonder than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
I believe my boss charged him around $300 for a new vacuum hose. It was REAL hard to get to apparently.
 

Kordie

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Aug 7, 2011
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Beneteau 393 Cruising Baja
Ross said:
All too often technicians get in a hurry and find one symptom and believe that is the problem. Only when treating that symptom doesn't work do they dig deeper. Not unlike the question concerning a pecular GFCI problem that was here recently. That was a good time to trace each wire in the circuit.
Same with doctors these days, they jump straight to a diagnosis without checking everything. Average appointment with a GP here is about 7 minutes...
 
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