Integal water tank????

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Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
I am thinking about building a integral in the v birth of my s2.... but I am not sure what precautions and draw backs this may cause.... or what kind of special epoxy I may have to use in order to build this tank.... has anyone done a project like this and if so what features do I need to include in the construction...at this point I think it needs to be strong enough to carry about 450 lbs of weight so that will give me about 56 gallons of water in the tank ...do I need baffles in both port to starboard as well as forward to aft ...the tank will be 32 inches wide at the aft end bottom....48 inches aft top ....24 inches forward top...8 1/2 inches forward bottom and 12 inches deep.....I plan on having the fill spout 1 1/2 inches on starboard top aft ...the water supply fitting 3/4 inches port aft bottom ...and a 3/8 air vent in the center of the top running to the anchor locker forward....and possibly 2 - 6 inch beckson clean out ports in the top.......

any and all input is welcome......

regards

woody
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
Why do integral if a Ronco tank is available?
they have one that is 44 gallon cap but i sorta wanted 50 gal on board not exactly sure why but all the 30 ft boats i see seem to have a 35 or 40 gallon cap and i am not sure that is enough if say 2 people were crusing for 15 days assuming that it takes about 2 gal per person daily that would be 60 gal in all on 15 day trip....any pointers you may have are welcome food for thought .......

regards

woody
 
Jan 1, 2006
7,591
Slickcraft 26 Sailfish
There is a concern about fresh water laying on the fiberglass laminate hull for long periods of time. The osmotic gradient may lead to blisters or even damping of the laminate. Why take a chance? Diesel integrated tanks were a disaster for many fibergalss boats.
If you're out for 15 days don't you get to fill up along the way. We do. Unless you're cruising in the Bahamas or other fresh water deprived area, I don't see a problem with a few less gallons.
 
Jun 2, 2004
5,802
Hunter 37-cutter, '79 41 23' 30"N 82 33' 20"W--------Huron, OH
How many gallons do you currently carry and where is it located? Adding 400+ lbs. to the bow area of a 30-footer does not seem like a good idea to me.

Peggy should see this and remember when this was discussed at length some years ago. You are right to wonder about what kind of epoxy is needed. Osmosis would still worry me.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,710
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
I agree with Ed that adding 400# of bow weight to a 30 footer may not be a good idea. Add to that your anchoring gear, and depending on how much chain you plan to carry you could be approaching 500#. That's like having 3 people standing on your bow as you sail.

If you are cruising in the states, water should be available where you fuel up. How many gallons of diesel do you carry? Are you going to be fueling only once in your 15 day criteria?

If you are going to be anchoring out for that 15 day span, then you may need that much water. If not, you will have plenty of opportunities to refill your tanks.

Another option is jerry cans which can be carried at the shrouds where the weight will have less effect on trim.

Just some thoughts.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
How many gallons do you currently carry and where is it located? Adding 400+ lbs. to the bow area of a 30-footer does not seem like a good idea to me.

Peggy should see this and remember when this was discussed at length some years ago. You are right to wonder about what kind of epoxy is needed. Osmosis would still worry me.
the original tank was in this space but only held 37 gal...it is 32 years old and made out of aluminum....the fill and pick up fittings need replaceing ....and prolly the welds are in need of some going over with the tig torch......the metal it is made out of is 1/8 thick and being that old makes me think it also could have some weak spots in it......so rather than repair it ...my thinking is to replace it with a little more capacity while i am at it ..

so it looks to me like my options are replace it with a new tank ....the 44 gal one.... or go a little larger and do a fiberglass one made in the hull .... i checked on having a new aluminum one made by a local shop here with more cap.... but the price was in the upper end of $700 .... so being on a low budget that will not do....i do have concerns about the water safety.....

regards

woody
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
How many gallons of diesel do you carry? Are you going to be fueling only once in your 15 day criteria?

If you are going to be anchoring out for that 15 day span, then you may need that much water. If not, you will have plenty of opportunities to refill your tanks.

Another option is jerry cans which can be carried at the shrouds where the weight will have less effect on trim.

Just some thoughts.
as it stands now i have 18 gal fuel cap...that is about 36 hrs run time on the aux....i dont plan to use a larger fuel tank...i was thinking jerry jugs as you suggested for fuel...one 5 gal jug would give me aprox 10 more hrs run time.....

regards

woody
 

RichH

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Feb 14, 2005
4,773
Tayana 37 cutter; I20/M20 SCOWS Worton Creek, MD
NO potable water tanks made from bare FIBERGLASS !!!!! - unsafe and unhealthy.

Would strongly advise against the use of a FRG tank for potable water. Styrene resins are definitely contraindicated because of the continued leachables of the non cured styrene (monomer). Standard Epoxy continually leaches amines and other fragments. Styrene polymers are prohibited by NSF/FDA regs. for potable water; so is 'standard' structural epoxy !!!

For ultrapurity and a tank fully to FDA/EPA standards consider POLYETHYLENE. BUT a 44 gallon rotomolded poly tank will not have baffles which are important for hydraulic impact /life considerations ... Plus, you dont want 300 lb. of water 'shifting about' in a heavy sea state causing additional boat handling problems ---- because you simply cant put proper baffles in a large rotomolded poly tank!!!

Several solutions:
1. Several small manifolded rotomolded poly tanks

2. Custom made FRG tank with polyethylene faced internal liner panels and the panel seams all welded with polyethylene. Such poly faced FRG panels are hard to get, the 'welding' of the seams requires great expertise and special plastic welding equipment. Specialty FRG tank builders using poly faced panels are uncommon ... unless you live in an area with lots of chemical process or biopharm industry. Not a DIY job.

3. Rebuild the old aluminum tank as necessary (in place) with structural epoxy + cloth where needed .... then covered with an FDA/NSF approved low-amine, potable water rated, 'lining' epoxy. Just roll-on ALL internals until you have ~250 mil thickness. Might require that you cut in large access ports on the top of the tank to allow 'work room'. Closure can be 'studs' screwed and epoxied along the underside of the cut margins .... then you only need to fabricate new flange closures from new plate, etc. All would bolt together using BUNA strip rubber as the 'gasket', etc. Ive rebuilt 100+ gallon baffled water tanks in this build-a-tank-inside-a-tank manner, you just use the internals of the old tank as the 'mold' for the thin-walled new tank; cost is about $75 for NSF materials, $20 for the structural epoxy and $20 for the 'studs', etc.
Benefit with a low-amine epoxy 'liner' - you can now properly shock sanitize the tank with clorox/chlorine and can low maintenance dose (2-4oz Clorox / 100 gal) to keep the 'growth' under control. Maintenance dosages of 0.5-1ppm (common municipal dosage) chlorine would eventually destroy a bare aluminum tank. Free chlorine attacks the aluminum and forms aluminum chloride ... all that 'white stuff' that you will find in the bottom when you open the old tank.
http://www.nsp-specialty.com/pdf/120nsftds-07.pdf

hope this helps.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,047
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Bottle your own water from a tap in multiple old juice plastic bottles.

Buy a Sunshower.

Get a plastic tank.

Summary to follow???:D
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
Consider a dual system. Much of the fresh water on a boat never gets drunk. It is used for washing dishes, taking showers. I have a fiberglass tank that I don't drink out of for the reasons Rich gives. I put a 5 gallon plastic tank under a berth with a small electric pump to a spigot at the galley sink and a pushbutton on the front of the galley. That water is used for drinking and toothbrushing. The main water tank gets used for everything else.

I supplement the potable water capacity with plastic bottles. These are generally frozen before a cruise and the ice box mostly filled with them. I have nice cold water for days and save the cost of the first load of ice. The bottles are also convenient for carrying ashore to refill when anchored out or when the marina hose looks too skanky for drinking.
 
Sep 15, 2009
6,243
S2 9.2a Fairhope Al
thanks for the input everyone.....this has been most helpful ....and gives more food for thought...dont know exactly what i am going to do just yet.....back to the drawing board....but armed with all this it will help me decide what is best......

regards

woody
 
Dec 2, 1997
8,945
- - LIttle Rock
I'd go with a Ronco plastic tank...

And follow suggestions for additional water when you need it.

Be sure to specify when you order it that it's a water tank...the curing process is a bit different from the curing process for waste tanks.

I don't like integral water or waste tanks because anything that can happen to the outside of a fiberglass hull can also happen to the inside of tank...the difference being, you see it early, when it's still a minor problem, on the outside of the hull but you don't have a clue that it's happening inside a tank till it's become a major problem that can even affect the structural integrity of the boat in some cases. And, things change as decades pass...and so do solutions to fill needs at a given time...spaces can be put to new uses for new owners. But if that space is used to hold anything BUT water, it can never be used for anything else.
 
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