installing hand operated bilge pump

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May 30, 2011
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Catalina 22 Kingston
I just purchased a hand operated bilge pump for my Cat 22. Any suggestions for installing it? Like where is the best location? Where should I place the intake and outflow tubes? It's the one they sell at Catalina Direct, with a flap cover and removable handle. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Do you think it's a good idea for any Cat 22 to have one of these? Many thanks for your thoughts! Wayne
 
Dec 23, 2008
772
Catalina 22 Central Penna.
I have what looks like a factory installed one mounded to the front of the cockpit bench seat. It’s mounted far enough forward not to interfere with the helmsman moving from side to side. The pickup is located about dead center at the cabin settee table and the output is at the stern at the height of the cockpit floor. My 87 has a fuel locker level with the floor and you can see the discharge hose mounted right underneath.
 

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Sep 19, 2010
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Catalina 22 home
At the risk of appearing stupid, what is the logic of a hand-pumped bilge pump? I can see having one as a last-ditch piece of emergency equipment on the high seas, but for a fair-weather boat like the Cat 22, I don't get it. Can someone pull me out from my dark ignorance please?
 
Mar 8, 2009
530
Catalina 22 Kemah,Texas
Easier than using a bucket for one.
Fast and easy, less possibility of injuring yourself with a bucket.
Required on some bodies of water?


Wish I had one!
 
Dec 23, 2008
772
Catalina 22 Central Penna.
Shit happens and it always happens out there!

In 20 years been on 4 boats where water had to be pumped. One a port was open in heavy weather, but the other 3 had to be pumped till we made it to our destination or launch ramp for recovery. One case a Manual Hand Bilge Pump was used to help an electric unit in the bilge.

Fortunately, never had to use mine.

Numbers;

inexpensive 12 volt electric in bilge - 8.33 GPM works till the battery goes.

Cat. Direct, Hand Operated Mounted - 11 to 28 GPM.

West Marine, Manual Hand Bilge Pump - ? GPM till it falls apart.
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
Towman, on most of these older boats, mine certainly, removing that wooden panel behind the dinette seat, (port,aft naturally), and there you are. I've seen folks cut an access hole in it, and install a hinge to make a "door" out of it. I THINK the Christopher Jin site has a picture of this as well..
 
Mar 8, 2009
530
Catalina 22 Kemah,Texas
Yea, My panel is screwed to the boat and has the stereo in it. I have access where your fuel locker is.
 
Jun 9, 2008
1,817
- -- -Bayfield
A hand operated bilge pump is always a good idea because electric pumps can fail. They can burn out if overworked, or don't work if your battery goes dead and they can clog with crap. Usually the type of pump you describe (diaphragm) is used so the hose end sits in the bilge and of course, a Catalina 22 doesn't have a bilge. So, as pointed out, you probably will never have to use the manual pump, but for that extreme situation when you really do need it, you might run the hose into a cabinet where it is out of the way (because you cannot run it into a bilge that doesn't exist). If you ever need it, you open the cabinet door and put the hose end in the cabin and start pumping. There are some offshore events that require that a manual bilge pump be on board for emergency situations.
 
May 30, 2011
10
Catalina 22 Kingston
thanks for suggestions

Thanks for the helpful ideas. I feel there is some peace of mind in the bilge pump, and I know if water was coming in my wife or I could probably pump like the devil! I've heard that a failure of the swing keel or cable could damage the hull, creating a serious leak. Also, the loss of the hose that houses the cable could also result in water entering the cabin. Where we sail on the Hudson River, it's common to encounter submerged branches, and even trees after heavy rains. I appreciate the tip about just having the intake hose behing a hatch, ready to pull into the cabin if necessary. Wayne
 
Oct 17, 2011
2,809
Ericson 29 Southport..
I think.....some are under the impression that a small boat needs only a small pump. Wrong. A larger vessel has a huge volume, and will take on more water before foundering. Consequently, it takes a lot less water in a small boat to start dog paddling to shore. I have never had the opportunity to have to engage a pump in an emergency situation, and for that, I'm thankful. But if water is entering catastrophically, I'd want every pump West Marine sells.
You know the saying, there is no better bilge pump, than a scared man with a bucket.

just a random pump thought....
 
Dec 23, 2008
772
Catalina 22 Central Penna.
The 4 cases I mentioned earlier was the result of 4 different situations;

The open port would not have lead to a possible sinking, but a big problem was discovered cause of it. The boat, a new Com-pac 25, during mfg. all of the shavings and sawdust from the interior adjustments were laying under the inter hull liner. When the many gallons of water sloshed around, it washed all this stuff into the bilge where the electric pump plugged up. We ended up with a garden hose washing down the whole inside of the outer hull to clear it of debris before we could keep the bilge pump screen clean.

The worse situation was moving an old San Juan 29 from Mayo, MD to Annapolis, about a 4 hour trip. The new owner had the local marina redo the stuffing box. What they did was replace the packing over a rusted shaft. So while motor sailing up the middle of the Chesapeake Bay in November we were standing in ankle deep water in the cabin pumping with a hand held manual pump into the sink.

The next almost sinking was with a friend on a Balboa 26, when his young son motoring out of an anchorage cut to close to shore on a manmade flood control dam and drove the swing keel up over a stump. When the keel dropped down over the other side it cracked open the keel trunk. The electric pump handled the water till we motored 6 miles to the launch ramp where his trailer was parked. This same boat was almost lost when a thru hull popped off when he hauled it to Ocean City, MD and his trailer was parked on the other side of town.

The last, just happened when we were removing out boats from our local lake this fall. I was helping a fellow with a Chrysler 26 and when he cranked up the swing keel water started running out on the floor in the area of the keel cable. We only had a half mile to the launch ramp so no problems, have not heard what failed as of this date.
 
Sep 9, 2011
132
LT Scoop 22 Monterey
I will be putting in a Bilge pump and anyone that does not have one one day will want one ..I am doing it becouse I want to be able to take on water when sailing and not worry about needing to lift the seats and pump out water..swing keels always leak..plus normal water we take on
 

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Aug 29, 2005
1,265
Catalina 22 Ohio
A good reason to have a bilge pump is that one may need to pump out the bilge someday......for whatever reason. A bilge pump makes it all that much easier. The water can come in from below or from topsides in the form of rain or whatever. Having a bilge pump is a way of possibly preventing moms nature from having a "gotcha' moment."
 
Sep 2, 2011
1,041
Hunter 27 Cherubini Alum Creek State Park
I keep my pump handle in the little cockpit coaming inset....just in case.

But after a whole season of sponging up water out of all the bilge compartments (I know they're not really bilges, but I don't know what else to call them), I plan to install a small bilge electric bilge pump + float switch in the place that got the most water last year, and put it on a circuit directly off the battery.

Just in case...
 
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