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Brian D

Brian D

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Feb 17, 2006
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Seadance's thread about her Irwin 31 is gone. It's too bad that all it takes is a few malcontents to shut down a thread. I know why it was removed, but instead of removing the entire thread, the offending comments should have been removed. I do not believe in censorship, but sometimes creative editing could solve a lot of heart burn. Seadance, please keep us updated on your boat.
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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She may have deleted it to avoid the

heartburn but I hope she will come back. She has a good project going and I think we can be a good resource. A pox on those who won't allow for individual opinions.
 
Phil Herring

Phil Herring

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Seadance requested the thread be removed

Seadance had valid reasons which I'll leave to Seadance to explain.
 
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BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
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Hunter 31 San Pedro, Ca
Time for the battlewagon to elevate the guns.....

I got an e-mail from her..... she got some nasty e-mails, presumably through the forum. It's pretty disgusting, and whoever actually went out of his/her way to send a nasty e-mail to a fellow sailor in need of and eager for help really ought to be ashamed. Rest assured, whoever you are, that Seadance is a far better sailor and person than you can even pretend to be. Phil, is there ANY way you can fire those big guns and 'escort' Seadance? Heck, she's most of the reason this forum is even here, isn't she? I better stop there...... my 'dark side' side is starting to show, and that's not good here on the 'sunny side'. Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
 
Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
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What A Disappointment, Bob....

...there is nothing I can say that would justify that. It's a poor reflection on all of us. We are, after all, a community. Guess some people just lowered the property value... Rick D.
 
Stu Jackson

Stu Jackson

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Feb 26, 2004
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Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
It's not your dark side, Bob

It's just that some of the low-lifes from that side are showing up here, like the "radar" discussion today. No sense to knock anyone, just share. Heck, I've been accused of worse by simply asking people to do their homework and research. Seems others are suggesting that, too. I just finally learned to point them in the right direction with more specific references. That's how many of us learned, from reference sources, which, back then, were books. Now there's more available, and whatever we can do to help we should. "Attack dogs" should be removed, hopefully on a post-by-post basis, rather than removing the whole thread, but that could be a lot more work for Phil, which isn't fair to him (to say nothing about the original respondent).
 
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BobW

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Jul 21, 2005
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Well, Stu, you keep suspending Kobe......

and you want to talk about OTHER people????? ;D Sorry, just couldn't resist! (I know that's the New York Stu Jackson) Cheers, Bob s/v X SAIL R 8
 
Brian D

Brian D

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Phil, I know she did...

But it should never have come to that. There are those that know, and there are those that want to learn. There are those that teach and then there are those that complain about have to explain anything.
 
Phil Herring

Phil Herring

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I couldn't agree more

I try to read everything, but I miss some posts and even then I don't always get to them as soon as I'd like. It would be a huge help to me, and a good thing for the forum too, if you wuld use the link beneath each reply that says Report Guidelines Violation. That would help me handle these problems in a timely manner. Thanks!
 
higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Goodbye Seadance

Having posted on this site for quite a while, I have certainly noticed that during the past half year there has been some individuals who can be less than civil. I am sure Seadance will not be back. I have, over the past few months, considered moving on becasue of the hostility that has crept in on the board. I find myself carefully editing what I say in order not be the subject of an attack and I am wondering why I bother posting anymore - life has enough confrontations without searching for them here. Could the real issue for Phil be choosing between allowing freedom of expression, or losing members who wish not to get entangled in unpleasant exchanges? I agree with Bob. Get rid of those who are looking for trouble so that people like Sundance will stay on. I am sure Seadance is not the first to move on becasue of the contentiousness tone that has crept into this site.
 
Dave C20469

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May 11, 2004
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My mistake too...

While it was in Seadance's defense, I certainly helped fan the fire. I should know better by now to just ignore the ones who bother me. Especially when they are my elders. ;) Dave Crowley s/v Wind Dreamer II
 
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Waffle

I would agree too!

Sure it is easy to blame it all on the big bad rabbit. But how many times do we need to look into our hearts to see what the real problem is. Sure the big bad rabbit is mean and has sharp pointy teeth, but is the big bad rabbit really responsible for what the going on this board. I for one, say YES, it is the fault of the big bad rabbit.
 
RAD

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Jun 3, 2004
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Repeat what Higgs wrote

Higgs wrote, "I find myself carefully editing what I say in order not be the subject of an attack and I am wondering why I bother posting anymore - life has enough confrontations without searching for them here." I enjoy this site so much because of the knowlege here BUT I just read and keep my mouth shut most of the time. And I do hope Seadance comes back and take what you need and leave the rest.
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Seadance came in here looking for help

and was met by a very few mean spirited, rude individuals that wouldn't be welcome at a dog fight. I am appalled that some even took to sending rude E-mails. That is never appropriate. Some of us spar on occassion because we don't see eye to eye on a subject but honest questions must always be met with honest answers. Some of us have enough knowledge to realize how much we don't know and others haven't yet gotten there. If someone asks a question, they deserve an answer not an insult for the question.
 
Stu Jackson

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Feb 26, 2004
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Creeping Tones

Joe, I believe it's just a few ill mannered people, some who don't even need a cocktail to be belligerent. Thanks, Phil, for reminding us how to suggest that they may have stepped out of line. A self-policing group is usually better than any alternative. Sorry to Seadance for the rudeness, from us all. Any possibility of restoring her thread without the obnoxious comments?
 
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Waffle

Ross, what was her post about?

It is a shame that someone asked for help and got heckeled. At the same time we sould give out advice only when we know the the problem is and we have a good answer. I am always learning and know things from making mistakes. Somethings that work on my boat don't work on other boats. Most do but some don't. Ross, I know you rebuilt your boat from the bottom up. You have much more construction experience than I do.
 
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Donald6441

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Feb 12, 2005
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One feature i like about slash-code boards is the

mod function, the ability to mod someone -1 Troll... :)
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Waffle, Seadance has purchased a boat

that needs extensive reworking and she was concerned that she may have gotten in over her head. There were times when she needed to know which way to proceed and times when she needed skills that she didn't have. She just needed a little guidance and encouragement. Some people took that as an opportunity to be scornful and insulting concerning both her ability and her gender. Everybody is ignorant about something but that can be cured with learning. There are times when in discussions on this forum get off subject and a little hyperbole finds its way into the exchanges. There is nothing wrong with that. But even the most elementary questions deserve a polite and correct answer. To deem a question as below contempt is counter to the purpose of this forum and counter to the nature of polite society. We can quickly enough determine if someone is playing mind games with us.
 
higgs

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
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Stu - that is me!!!

Stu I hope I did not leave anyone with the impression that my comments were about the majority. If that were my opinion, I would have checked out long ago. Most on the board understand the concept of civil discourse, which includes how to ttactfully disagree. The best way for us to police the board may be to just refuse to answer posts that are belligerent. This is tough to do when one is personally attacked, but would probably be more effective than attempting to reason with the unreasonable.
 
Ross

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Higgs , As I understand this went beyond

the public discourse and was taken into the private, very personal, area of direct emails where there could be no peer review or response. Generally we are quick to call a mamber as over the edge/top if the response is inappropriate.
 
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