ok, so I have recently come into a 21 foot, 1974 catilina sailboat. great condition as far as I can tell, but needs to get bottom cleaned and re-painted. so, here are a few of my quetions!: how much does the scrap/repaint normally cost? is a depth finder needed on this size sailboat? what else should I get done?? so, I guess thats it! I would appreciate any and all info, tips or advice... Heather
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Cat 22
You have a 74 Catalina 22 (they didn't make a 21). Haul, scrape & paint cost depends on whether you have a swing keel or fixed keel boat, whether any other bottom work needs doing (like blister repair) how much of the old finish needs to be removed, if any, and what you want put on it, paint-wise. I think any boat needs a depth sounder, especially if its a fixed keel, unless you're in an area where the water is so clear you can always be sure of the depth.
You have a 74 Catalina 22 (they didn't make a 21). Haul, scrape & paint cost depends on whether you have a swing keel or fixed keel boat, whether any other bottom work needs doing (like blister repair) how much of the old finish needs to be removed, if any, and what you want put on it, paint-wise. I think any boat needs a depth sounder, especially if its a fixed keel, unless you're in an area where the water is so clear you can always be sure of the depth.
Cat 22
hey, thanks! while I am still a novice at sailing in and of itself, I can make due on a fully equiped and ready boat. my problem with this one is I feel like I am starting from scratch... as far as I know, all the electrical is working, although I havent gotten to the point of checking all that stuff...still working on the cleaning (inside and out) and scrubbing! once everything is white and sparkly again, I can get down to the nitty gritty and see what is what and what needs replacing/repair. so, to add onto some questions: what type of depth finder (brand or model) would be sufficant? What should I check for on the electrical side of things? Where would I get replacements if needed? Where can I find someone to replace my ropes?(my standing rigging (stays etc) are in fine condition, although my running rigging and ropes seems a little dry rotted.) ok, I think that is it for now. I am sure I will find something more to ask later, but thank you for taking the time to reply. I've had the harddest time finding sites like this one! HEather
hey, thanks! while I am still a novice at sailing in and of itself, I can make due on a fully equiped and ready boat. my problem with this one is I feel like I am starting from scratch... as far as I know, all the electrical is working, although I havent gotten to the point of checking all that stuff...still working on the cleaning (inside and out) and scrubbing! once everything is white and sparkly again, I can get down to the nitty gritty and see what is what and what needs replacing/repair. so, to add onto some questions: what type of depth finder (brand or model) would be sufficant? What should I check for on the electrical side of things? Where would I get replacements if needed? Where can I find someone to replace my ropes?(my standing rigging (stays etc) are in fine condition, although my running rigging and ropes seems a little dry rotted.) ok, I think that is it for now. I am sure I will find something more to ask later, but thank you for taking the time to reply. I've had the harddest time finding sites like this one! HEather
Replacements
You can get depthsounders all over the board. I've got units from Standard Horizon, that I like. If you're hauling anyway, you might consider both the depth and knotmeter if your don't have one. The graphic fishfinder-type type DS units are popular, but maybe overkill from "too much info" standpoint. On electrical, I'd just make sure everything works. Don't make any big changes till you've used the boat for awhile and see what you need and like, and what you don't. Best thing on the ropes is to just take the old ones to West Marine, or another supplier, and have them replicate them as to length and thickness. And post your questions here. There's always somebody who's "been there done that", and has a solution. Good luck!
You can get depthsounders all over the board. I've got units from Standard Horizon, that I like. If you're hauling anyway, you might consider both the depth and knotmeter if your don't have one. The graphic fishfinder-type type DS units are popular, but maybe overkill from "too much info" standpoint. On electrical, I'd just make sure everything works. Don't make any big changes till you've used the boat for awhile and see what you need and like, and what you don't. Best thing on the ropes is to just take the old ones to West Marine, or another supplier, and have them replicate them as to length and thickness. And post your questions here. There's always somebody who's "been there done that", and has a solution. Good luck!
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Take your ropes, actually, lines and sheets, and soak them in some buckets of water with about 2 cups of bleach and a couple squirts of any kind of cheap liquid laundry soap, overnight. Rinse well and you will probably save many of them. Don't use fabric softener!!
Take your ropes, actually, lines and sheets, and soak them in some buckets of water with about 2 cups of bleach and a couple squirts of any kind of cheap liquid laundry soap, overnight. Rinse well and you will probably save many of them. Don't use fabric softener!!
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so, I should feel ok with soaking the ropes? I guess my fear is snapping a line while out and about, and that, of course, is no good! lol. my other fear - getting the ropes off, but not being able to re-run them properly. Oh, and I got an estimate on my bottom cleaning/scraping between 600-800 dollars, but was told because the boat had been in the water for a few years, it prob. needs a lot of work. I am going to call a few other places just to get a comparison. Chances are, I wont be doing any sailing this year (so sad, I know!) as I only have weekends to spend getting it ready! in any event, thanks for the advice, and I as I come up with new questions (however wacky they seem!) thanks for indulging me and answering them! here is a question: what good books can I get my hands on that will give me some pointers, things to look for etc. for the cat 22? thanks! Heather
so, I should feel ok with soaking the ropes? I guess my fear is snapping a line while out and about, and that, of course, is no good! lol. my other fear - getting the ropes off, but not being able to re-run them properly. Oh, and I got an estimate on my bottom cleaning/scraping between 600-800 dollars, but was told because the boat had been in the water for a few years, it prob. needs a lot of work. I am going to call a few other places just to get a comparison. Chances are, I wont be doing any sailing this year (so sad, I know!) as I only have weekends to spend getting it ready! in any event, thanks for the advice, and I as I come up with new questions (however wacky they seem!) thanks for indulging me and answering them! here is a question: what good books can I get my hands on that will give me some pointers, things to look for etc. for the cat 22? thanks! Heather
Try Catalina Direct
Cat. Direct deals in lots of parts and stuff for Catalinas of all sizes, but their specialty is the Cat 22. They are located in Sacramento, CA, and are an outgrowth of the Catalina dealer there. That dealer supplied the Cat 22's that sail on Folsom Lake outside Sacramento, one of the largest Cat 22 fleets anywhere. Cat. Direct has produced an owner's handbook for the 22.
Cat. Direct deals in lots of parts and stuff for Catalinas of all sizes, but their specialty is the Cat 22. They are located in Sacramento, CA, and are an outgrowth of the Catalina dealer there. That dealer supplied the Cat 22's that sail on Folsom Lake outside Sacramento, one of the largest Cat 22 fleets anywhere. Cat. Direct has produced an owner's handbook for the 22.
Lines
Heather, you can replace your lines one at a time if need be, If the halyards haven't already been run to the cockpit I would run them back useing all line and be rid of the wire. There are several good places to by line I like Lay Line and APS both stock a very good selection, you are sure to find a line that will fit your budget at either. Think of joining the C-22 National association they have a very good tech CD and of course get Catalina Direct's handbook
Heather, you can replace your lines one at a time if need be, If the halyards haven't already been run to the cockpit I would run them back useing all line and be rid of the wire. There are several good places to by line I like Lay Line and APS both stock a very good selection, you are sure to find a line that will fit your budget at either. Think of joining the C-22 National association they have a very good tech CD and of course get Catalina Direct's handbook
Try this ...
Since you're kind of starting from scratch ... I really like watching/looking/doing as opposed to reading. So, there just HAS to be a couple other C22's around. Catalina made a gazillion of them. Find one of those boats around your marina, and use it as a "template" for taking things off and putting them back on. Those owners should also be willing to give you advise. Try to sail with them a couple times, and watch how they do things. Then take that back to your boat. I had two coats of barrier coat and two of ablative bottom paint put on a never-painted O'Day 22 a few years ago ... $700. So your price seems in the ballpark. Have someone who knows what to look for check the current bottom job. It should have been barrier coated. If not, it needs to be. And, have someone check it out for blisters. Now, here's my best piece of advise. Get the bottom done, rig it as best you can, with some help from those other C22 types, and get on the water on some controlled, easy days. You need to have some fun days to offset the work days, and if you wait to get it all "right", you'll never be sailing. Any local Gibson Island sailers willing to stop by and look Heather's boat over for her? Tom Monroe Carlyle Lake
Since you're kind of starting from scratch ... I really like watching/looking/doing as opposed to reading. So, there just HAS to be a couple other C22's around. Catalina made a gazillion of them. Find one of those boats around your marina, and use it as a "template" for taking things off and putting them back on. Those owners should also be willing to give you advise. Try to sail with them a couple times, and watch how they do things. Then take that back to your boat. I had two coats of barrier coat and two of ablative bottom paint put on a never-painted O'Day 22 a few years ago ... $700. So your price seems in the ballpark. Have someone who knows what to look for check the current bottom job. It should have been barrier coated. If not, it needs to be. And, have someone check it out for blisters. Now, here's my best piece of advise. Get the bottom done, rig it as best you can, with some help from those other C22 types, and get on the water on some controlled, easy days. You need to have some fun days to offset the work days, and if you wait to get it all "right", you'll never be sailing. Any local Gibson Island sailers willing to stop by and look Heather's boat over for her? Tom Monroe Carlyle Lake
Try this...
Thanks tom! I might have to take a trip to a marina close by, as my boat is in a residential slip (although there are plenty of other boats around!) off the back of my friends house. Thankfully they are letting me dock it there free of charge, which I know is a good thing. I will prob. take the boat out once or twice this year (once I power wash all the dirt that has settled over the years!) so at least I wont be laughed at. More than likely I will motor it, see how it moves etc. before I try it with the sails... speaking of which! the sails are in pristine condition although the on the luft side of the sail the metal rings (I cant think of the tech. term at the moment!) seem a little "rough". what I mean by that is a little tarnished (in a green-y color) but I think that I could just use something to clean them off. Are these oky? I wouldn't say they are "corroded" athough they have little "nicks" on them. also, the hooks that attach to the halyard are the same. sould these be replaced? or would be giving them a good toothbrush scrubing be okay? OH! and I found that Mr. Clean Magic erasers work wonders on the smooth parts of the boat without all the scrubbing...unless someone tells me its not good to use Mr. Clean?? thanks again everyone! at 24 (and being a giiirrrlll!) people are telling me not to worry myself with this thing, but I cant help it! Im so excited about the whole thing and the fact that I am doing all the work, adds to the joy of finally getting it out there! not to mention, this is a great starter boat, so if I mess it up in a huge way, I wont be too hard on myself... Heather
Thanks tom! I might have to take a trip to a marina close by, as my boat is in a residential slip (although there are plenty of other boats around!) off the back of my friends house. Thankfully they are letting me dock it there free of charge, which I know is a good thing. I will prob. take the boat out once or twice this year (once I power wash all the dirt that has settled over the years!) so at least I wont be laughed at. More than likely I will motor it, see how it moves etc. before I try it with the sails... speaking of which! the sails are in pristine condition although the on the luft side of the sail the metal rings (I cant think of the tech. term at the moment!) seem a little "rough". what I mean by that is a little tarnished (in a green-y color) but I think that I could just use something to clean them off. Are these oky? I wouldn't say they are "corroded" athough they have little "nicks" on them. also, the hooks that attach to the halyard are the same. sould these be replaced? or would be giving them a good toothbrush scrubing be okay? OH! and I found that Mr. Clean Magic erasers work wonders on the smooth parts of the boat without all the scrubbing...unless someone tells me its not good to use Mr. Clean?? thanks again everyone! at 24 (and being a giiirrrlll!) people are telling me not to worry myself with this thing, but I cant help it! Im so excited about the whole thing and the fact that I am doing all the work, adds to the joy of finally getting it out there! not to mention, this is a great starter boat, so if I mess it up in a huge way, I wont be too hard on myself... Heather
Go, Girl.........!!!
Heather: Tom's advice is best (we probably all agree) Get out on a similar boat some, and/or get another Cat 22 owner out with you once or twice, and you'll be up to speed in no time!! You can have a diver clean the bottom "good enough" for now, to get you going. Re: the sails: Don't use anything harsh (just mild soap and water) to clean them. GET SAILING!!
Heather: Tom's advice is best (we probably all agree) Get out on a similar boat some, and/or get another Cat 22 owner out with you once or twice, and you'll be up to speed in no time!! You can have a diver clean the bottom "good enough" for now, to get you going. Re: the sails: Don't use anything harsh (just mild soap and water) to clean them. GET SAILING!!
For Low Cost Depth, get a FISHFINDER!
If you can find a good place to mount the unit, get any fish finder. They show bottom detail (granted,, it's historical), and you can get an indication of the type of bottom (or so I'm told). You can mount the transducer inside the boat (unless I'm mistaken, the C-22 has a solid (not cored) hull), and all you need to do is glue the transducer to a low point on the bottom of the hull (usually near the centerline and ahead of the keel). As for glueing the transducer, start with silicone (until you're sure where you want to mount it permanently), then use epoxy. The only things that are required to mount the transducer this way are a solid hull and no air gaps between the transducer and the hull. Have fun with your "new" boat. Sailing's a great sport, and you have a popular boat. Steve Alchemist C-320
If you can find a good place to mount the unit, get any fish finder. They show bottom detail (granted,, it's historical), and you can get an indication of the type of bottom (or so I'm told). You can mount the transducer inside the boat (unless I'm mistaken, the C-22 has a solid (not cored) hull), and all you need to do is glue the transducer to a low point on the bottom of the hull (usually near the centerline and ahead of the keel). As for glueing the transducer, start with silicone (until you're sure where you want to mount it permanently), then use epoxy. The only things that are required to mount the transducer this way are a solid hull and no air gaps between the transducer and the hull. Have fun with your "new" boat. Sailing's a great sport, and you have a popular boat. Steve Alchemist C-320
Books CAN help
Heather Wander into to your local chandlery, and look for Patrick Royce's Sailboating Illustrated. It's a small sized book. In the front third of the book he details a lot of smaller sailboats and one is a C22 showing how to rig it for single handing, and lines led aft. You don't even have to walk docks! It's a great book, and I suggest you buy it, but if not, at least look at the book and you'll get a great idea of what it is you're looking for. Stu
Heather Wander into to your local chandlery, and look for Patrick Royce's Sailboating Illustrated. It's a small sized book. In the front third of the book he details a lot of smaller sailboats and one is a C22 showing how to rig it for single handing, and lines led aft. You don't even have to walk docks! It's a great book, and I suggest you buy it, but if not, at least look at the book and you'll get a great idea of what it is you're looking for. Stu
Book Rec.
Hey, thanks stu! I think that is def. something I was looking for, espec. for the one person handling. hopefully it will be helpful for my ropes and rigging as far as how to put them back together if I take 'em down!. I will def. try and get my hands on it, if for nothing else, a good ref. for those stupid moments when I ask myself, "Now what does this extra peice go to??" thanks! Heather
Hey, thanks stu! I think that is def. something I was looking for, espec. for the one person handling. hopefully it will be helpful for my ropes and rigging as far as how to put them back together if I take 'em down!. I will def. try and get my hands on it, if for nothing else, a good ref. for those stupid moments when I ask myself, "Now what does this extra peice go to??" thanks! Heather
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