Any sailors out there that keep their boat at Holiday Hill Marina and would like to see pictures of the marina before, during, and after Isabel, check out my website at http://members.bellatlantic.net/~mwarble/Isabel.htm
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Keith Wolfe
How do others do it?
I'm going to ask what is probably a couple of dumb question but we don't have tides or hurricanes in Indiana and inquiring minds want to know how real sailers handle it... You were on your boat and you went out to check and adjust the dock lines every few hours. It seems to me that if the lines were set with enough slack to handle the storm surge and high tide combination (~7 feet) the the boats would have beat themselves to death against the docks. But if the lines are too tight the ropes would have ripped out the cleats or damaged the boats in some other way, possible causing a total loss anyway. For the folks who stayed at home or vacated the area, what did they do about their dock lines? Also, concerning the boats that sank... do you know what happened?
I'm going to ask what is probably a couple of dumb question but we don't have tides or hurricanes in Indiana and inquiring minds want to know how real sailers handle it... You were on your boat and you went out to check and adjust the dock lines every few hours. It seems to me that if the lines were set with enough slack to handle the storm surge and high tide combination (~7 feet) the the boats would have beat themselves to death against the docks. But if the lines are too tight the ropes would have ripped out the cleats or damaged the boats in some other way, possible causing a total loss anyway. For the folks who stayed at home or vacated the area, what did they do about their dock lines? Also, concerning the boats that sank... do you know what happened?
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Don
Spring lines!
Great Job Marty! I heard about the site and was waiting for someone to send me the link. But I notice that the only other Hunter involed (mine) only got one pic. You must be ashamed of your poorer neighbors! As for Keith's question: Spring lines are the trick. Most, if not all, of us used spring lines to keep the boats off pilings before the storm. They were tied off in order to pull the boats away from the pier as the tied rose. Also, we were adjusting the lines at least every hour. The main tide surge came within about 1 hour, around 3AM. Dunno about the boat that sank. It's still sitting there on the bottom, as are several other boats in our area. Really sad to see.
Great Job Marty! I heard about the site and was waiting for someone to send me the link. But I notice that the only other Hunter involed (mine) only got one pic. You must be ashamed of your poorer neighbors! As for Keith's question: Spring lines are the trick. Most, if not all, of us used spring lines to keep the boats off pilings before the storm. They were tied off in order to pull the boats away from the pier as the tied rose. Also, we were adjusting the lines at least every hour. The main tide surge came within about 1 hour, around 3AM. Dunno about the boat that sank. It's still sitting there on the bottom, as are several other boats in our area. Really sad to see.
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Elaine
Great Job, Marty. We were wondering
what is was like to be in that hurricane. Your photos and narrative are excellent. Thanks for taking the time to help us all experience Izzy.
what is was like to be in that hurricane. Your photos and narrative are excellent. Thanks for taking the time to help us all experience Izzy.
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H. Hey
Photos in this link? Holiday Hill Marina
Marty. . . are we supposed to be seeing photos in between your text? I think so. A quick look at your html source revealed a number of times that you used back slash instead of forward slash -- e.g.<a href="Isabel_filesimage014.jpg" I think that all of these are supposed to be more like: <a href="Isabel_files/image014.jpg" to my knowledge, back slash is not really used in this context. Has anyone else been able to get the pictures to load? H. Hey -- nyc
Marty. . . are we supposed to be seeing photos in between your text? I think so. A quick look at your html source revealed a number of times that you used back slash instead of forward slash -- e.g.<a href="Isabel_filesimage014.jpg" I think that all of these are supposed to be more like: <a href="Isabel_files/image014.jpg" to my knowledge, back slash is not really used in this context. Has anyone else been able to get the pictures to load? H. Hey -- nyc
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Marty
Some Answers
Keith, To answer your first question. My boat only has about a foot clearance on either side of it in the slip. You're right. If I would have left enough slack in my lines to account for the storm surge, the boat would have been damaged by slamming against the pilings all day. Owners who weren't there did the best they could. Some have much more clearance in their slips than I and could get away with leaving ample slack in their lines without worrying about getting slammed into the pier. Others left what they could, but it some cases it wasn't enough. You could see many boats that were floating lower than they normally would, because their dock lines had reached their limit and started to pull the boat under. To answer your second question, my guess is that's what happened to the boats that sunk. We had no waves and the wind wasn't bad enough to sink a boat. Most boats have thru-hulls not too far above the waterline and if these get submerged the boat will start filling with water. With the power out at the marina, once the bilge pump depleted the batteries, the boat would eventually sink. Another boat in one of the pictures was in the process of sinking, it's the white and teal power boat in the center of photo16. If you look closely you can see that the water is above it's waterline. The owners were able to get to it in time and bail it by hand before it went all the way down. They still had some damage though, because the boat had to be towed away on Sunday. Marty
Keith, To answer your first question. My boat only has about a foot clearance on either side of it in the slip. You're right. If I would have left enough slack in my lines to account for the storm surge, the boat would have been damaged by slamming against the pilings all day. Owners who weren't there did the best they could. Some have much more clearance in their slips than I and could get away with leaving ample slack in their lines without worrying about getting slammed into the pier. Others left what they could, but it some cases it wasn't enough. You could see many boats that were floating lower than they normally would, because their dock lines had reached their limit and started to pull the boat under. To answer your second question, my guess is that's what happened to the boats that sunk. We had no waves and the wind wasn't bad enough to sink a boat. Most boats have thru-hulls not too far above the waterline and if these get submerged the boat will start filling with water. With the power out at the marina, once the bilge pump depleted the batteries, the boat would eventually sink. Another boat in one of the pictures was in the process of sinking, it's the white and teal power boat in the center of photo16. If you look closely you can see that the water is above it's waterline. The owners were able to get to it in time and bail it by hand before it went all the way down. They still had some damage though, because the boat had to be towed away on Sunday. Marty
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Marty
Image problems
H. Hey, Several people have had problems with the images on the site. Those people all seem to have slow internet connections. To try to fix the problem, I compressed the graphics tonight. Hopefully it will work for everyone now. Give it a try and let me know if it works for you. Marty
H. Hey, Several people have had problems with the images on the site. Those people all seem to have slow internet connections. To try to fix the problem, I compressed the graphics tonight. Hopefully it will work for everyone now. Give it a try and let me know if it works for you. Marty
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