- Status
- Not open for further replies.
P
Pete
"CE"
Pete, you most likely will not find a used Hunter here in the U.S with a "CE" rating. I sure other will add to this but the major issuse will be electrical difference and some other things done during construction. There is alot of info in the archives on what the difference in a "USA" Hunter and one with a "CE" rating.
Pete, you most likely will not find a used Hunter here in the U.S with a "CE" rating. I sure other will add to this but the major issuse will be electrical difference and some other things done during construction. There is alot of info in the archives on what the difference in a "USA" Hunter and one with a "CE" rating.
repete!
Pete: Pete is correct. There was a big discussion on this subject in the past 60 days. Even though the American Hunters "may" be built to these standards, they are NOT "CE" certified. Why don't you buy one in europe? Plenty of Jeanneaus, Beneteaus, Hunters and some other wonderful boats from the EU community and they will already have this certification.
Pete: Pete is correct. There was a big discussion on this subject in the past 60 days. Even though the American Hunters "may" be built to these standards, they are NOT "CE" certified. Why don't you buy one in europe? Plenty of Jeanneaus, Beneteaus, Hunters and some other wonderful boats from the EU community and they will already have this certification.
T
Tom
Geez...Really! then you should look at Catalina's
Most of their boats for, at least, the last couple of years, are CE certified. Actually everyone of their boats above 30 feet are rated the highest.... "A" Rated (A. OCEAN: Designed for extended voyages where conditions may exceed wind force 8 (Beaufort scale) and significant wave heights of 4 meters and above, and vessels largely self-sufficient. )..... (BTW Catalina's are also NMMA and ABYC certified!! see link below) Gee I don't know why Hunter boats couldn't get the certification...I'm sure if they could pass they would get the rating put on the boat.....its definitely a Plus in selling points
Most of their boats for, at least, the last couple of years, are CE certified. Actually everyone of their boats above 30 feet are rated the highest.... "A" Rated (A. OCEAN: Designed for extended voyages where conditions may exceed wind force 8 (Beaufort scale) and significant wave heights of 4 meters and above, and vessels largely self-sufficient. )..... (BTW Catalina's are also NMMA and ABYC certified!! see link below) Gee I don't know why Hunter boats couldn't get the certification...I'm sure if they could pass they would get the rating put on the boat.....its definitely a Plus in selling points
uh, Tom, have you seen one with the certification
Tom: Have you ever saw one of these "CE" certified Catalina's? Does it have the placard in the boat?
Tom: Have you ever saw one of these "CE" certified Catalina's? Does it have the placard in the boat?
The reason that I ask................
A quote from Hunter "CE Certified boats are available for purchase in the United States, upon special order and for increased cost. As stated in our owners’ manuals, all CE Certified boats will carry a special CE plate, which will be attached to the boat. Boats that are destined for Europe or countries that require CE Certification will have this plate. Boats intended to be sold in the U. S. and most other areas will not carry the plate even though many aspects of the boat comply with the requirements. All hulls and decks are constructed to the same specifications whether they are to be CE Certified or not. The difference is in add-on accessories and different voltage appliances specified for certain countries." The way I read this is that you CANNOT sell a CE boat in the US! What do you think?
A quote from Hunter "CE Certified boats are available for purchase in the United States, upon special order and for increased cost. As stated in our owners’ manuals, all CE Certified boats will carry a special CE plate, which will be attached to the boat. Boats that are destined for Europe or countries that require CE Certification will have this plate. Boats intended to be sold in the U. S. and most other areas will not carry the plate even though many aspects of the boat comply with the requirements. All hulls and decks are constructed to the same specifications whether they are to be CE Certified or not. The difference is in add-on accessories and different voltage appliances specified for certain countries." The way I read this is that you CANNOT sell a CE boat in the US! What do you think?
R
R DEUTSCH
Buying a boat
If a boat can be certified in the U.S.,I will find out in the event you are interested in the boat(450,1999) that is listed in the boats for sale.I do live on another boat next to it and it is a practically a new boat. You will have to enclose your e-mail address so I can be more specific,rulings do not permit me to go any further.I do live in Glen Cove N.Y.,Long Island. The boat is overloaded with goodies and necessaties including a complete two zone oil heating system and reverse cycle air and other heat plus too much other things. Tom
If a boat can be certified in the U.S.,I will find out in the event you are interested in the boat(450,1999) that is listed in the boats for sale.I do live on another boat next to it and it is a practically a new boat. You will have to enclose your e-mail address so I can be more specific,rulings do not permit me to go any further.I do live in Glen Cove N.Y.,Long Island. The boat is overloaded with goodies and necessaties including a complete two zone oil heating system and reverse cycle air and other heat plus too much other things. Tom
J
Julian Sandford
Buying Stateside
You can ship a boat of 32' to UK for about £5000. CE marking is a big problem, but the RYA will advise on compliance tests, including a righting moment test on your new boat! Cost about £1500 if I remember. I went through all this and decided to buy nearly new in UK to save all the hassle. The other factor is sailing across the pond.......
You can ship a boat of 32' to UK for about £5000. CE marking is a big problem, but the RYA will advise on compliance tests, including a righting moment test on your new boat! Cost about £1500 if I remember. I went through all this and decided to buy nearly new in UK to save all the hassle. The other factor is sailing across the pond.......
S
Steve Cook
The 1999 H310 that I owned is CE certified...
there is a sticker stating the the boat is "CE" certified by the companionway ladder and in the owner manual there is the "CE certificate. Steve, s/v NOETA (P323) (ex-H310 owner)
there is a sticker stating the the boat is "CE" certified by the companionway ladder and in the owner manual there is the "CE certificate. Steve, s/v NOETA (P323) (ex-H310 owner)
B
Bob
CE Rating
Tom is not correct in stating that all Hunters over 30 feet are rated A. We have a 320 and the new 326 has a rating of B. Definitley not Ocean Going. We love our boat. Check the Hunter Website for specifications and explanations
Tom is not correct in stating that all Hunters over 30 feet are rated A. We have a 320 and the new 326 has a rating of B. Definitley not Ocean Going. We love our boat. Check the Hunter Website for specifications and explanations
T
Tom
Steve...That is not correct at all
That is "spin" from Hunter....You can purchase a CE certified boat in the states...In Fact you can buy one from Hunter.....Though you have to special order it and pay the increased cost for modifications to bring it up to CE rating.......(I got this info from the HunterOwners website).... I'm not at my boat, but I beleive there IS a CE sticker on it AND.. from the Catalina website it specifically says...(and I quote) Catalina models certified in compliance with CE category "A" include: Catalina 30 mkIII Catalina 310 Catalina 320 Catalina 34 mkII Catalina 36mkII Catalina 380 Catalina 400 Catalina 42mkII Catalina 470 Hunter has since taken off saying that they are CE certified on their website since they only are for their EC destined boats..
That is "spin" from Hunter....You can purchase a CE certified boat in the states...In Fact you can buy one from Hunter.....Though you have to special order it and pay the increased cost for modifications to bring it up to CE rating.......(I got this info from the HunterOwners website).... I'm not at my boat, but I beleive there IS a CE sticker on it AND.. from the Catalina website it specifically says...(and I quote) Catalina models certified in compliance with CE category "A" include: Catalina 30 mkIII Catalina 310 Catalina 320 Catalina 34 mkII Catalina 36mkII Catalina 380 Catalina 400 Catalina 42mkII Catalina 470 Hunter has since taken off saying that they are CE certified on their website since they only are for their EC destined boats..
T
Tom
Umm..Bob...I was not talking about Hunters
I was talking about Catalinas over 30 feet...(check my previuos post).... And for all of you that didn't read it...Check out the HunterOwners website (Check out the link below.....written by MANY Hunter Owners....not me!) It is eyeopening and answers alot of questions..... I am not saying Hunters are inferior in anyway or will have a problem in a seaway....just that Hunter decided on not doing the extra things (cost?) to make and get Hunters sold in the states CE certified.....(funny they did for some boats for some years for a little while though....guess it was a business decision)
I was talking about Catalinas over 30 feet...(check my previuos post).... And for all of you that didn't read it...Check out the HunterOwners website (Check out the link below.....written by MANY Hunter Owners....not me!) It is eyeopening and answers alot of questions..... I am not saying Hunters are inferior in anyway or will have a problem in a seaway....just that Hunter decided on not doing the extra things (cost?) to make and get Hunters sold in the states CE certified.....(funny they did for some boats for some years for a little while though....guess it was a business decision)
P
Pete
symantics
I almost hate to even start this but I will anyway! Has any one else noticed that there is "certified" and "rated" distinctions in published web sites? I would think a boat could be "rated" a "CE" a b c etc, BUT not be "certified" I would suggest that if your boat doesn't have the plaque it is not "certified". Sounds like the lawyers had a good time with this one !
I almost hate to even start this but I will anyway! Has any one else noticed that there is "certified" and "rated" distinctions in published web sites? I would think a boat could be "rated" a "CE" a b c etc, BUT not be "certified" I would suggest that if your boat doesn't have the plaque it is not "certified". Sounds like the lawyers had a good time with this one !
J
Jon Bastien
Stop the presses, AGAIN...
OK Gang, George Kornreich wrote a fantastic article here on HOW titled 'CE Certification Reviewed'. This was after he checked a bunch o' references and called the factory (Thanks, George!). It was posted on 10/24 at 11:00AM. I highly recommend you go read it (link below). In a nutshell, it says that Hunter uses the same rigging, hardware, glasswork, ports, etc. for boats delivered on either side of the Atlantic. HOWEVER, there are some differences in things like the electrical system (220v versus 110v) or the propane system (different fittings) that, for an American spec boat, automatically disqualify it from being CE certified. CE boats are available for delivery in the US, but wouldn't be very practical to own here. To the owner of the Catalina that's CE certified, how do you deal with the 220-volt GFCI electrical system? --Jon Bastien H25 'Adagio' (...Which is NOT CE rated!)
OK Gang, George Kornreich wrote a fantastic article here on HOW titled 'CE Certification Reviewed'. This was after he checked a bunch o' references and called the factory (Thanks, George!). It was posted on 10/24 at 11:00AM. I highly recommend you go read it (link below). In a nutshell, it says that Hunter uses the same rigging, hardware, glasswork, ports, etc. for boats delivered on either side of the Atlantic. HOWEVER, there are some differences in things like the electrical system (220v versus 110v) or the propane system (different fittings) that, for an American spec boat, automatically disqualify it from being CE certified. CE boats are available for delivery in the US, but wouldn't be very practical to own here. To the owner of the Catalina that's CE certified, how do you deal with the 220-volt GFCI electrical system? --Jon Bastien H25 'Adagio' (...Which is NOT CE rated!)
B
Bruce Grant
CE classifications are on Hunters Website
Hunter has redone thier website, the CE info is under the specifications for each boat so rated. In addition, in the splash screen area for each model is the following info (taken from the Hunter 326 model) CE Certified boats are available for purchase in the United States, upon special order and for increased cost. As stated in our owners’ manuals, all CE Certified boats will carry a special CE plate, which will be attached to the boat. Boats that are destined for Europe or countries that require CE Certification will have this plate. Boats intended to be sold in the U. S. and most other areas will not carry the plate even though many aspects of the boat comply with the requirements. All hulls and decks are constructed to the same specifications whether they are to be CE Certified or not. The difference is in add-on accessories and different voltage appliances specified for certain countries. Also the specification area that shows the CE rating links you to the basic info relating to the A, B and C rating. Regards. Bruce Neon Moon
Hunter has redone thier website, the CE info is under the specifications for each boat so rated. In addition, in the splash screen area for each model is the following info (taken from the Hunter 326 model) CE Certified boats are available for purchase in the United States, upon special order and for increased cost. As stated in our owners’ manuals, all CE Certified boats will carry a special CE plate, which will be attached to the boat. Boats that are destined for Europe or countries that require CE Certification will have this plate. Boats intended to be sold in the U. S. and most other areas will not carry the plate even though many aspects of the boat comply with the requirements. All hulls and decks are constructed to the same specifications whether they are to be CE Certified or not. The difference is in add-on accessories and different voltage appliances specified for certain countries. Also the specification area that shows the CE rating links you to the basic info relating to the A, B and C rating. Regards. Bruce Neon Moon
Thank you Bruce, that was my point!
Bruce: That was my point. Catalinas are really NOT CE certified boats. They are built to CE specficiations ONLY. Just as the Hunters are. There is nothing saying that CE Specs are better than ABYC specs. I do not think a person that wants to sail a boat in the US would be wise purchasing a CE Certified boat or a European purchasing a boat in the US to take to Europe that does not have the CE Cert. either.
Bruce: That was my point. Catalinas are really NOT CE certified boats. They are built to CE specficiations ONLY. Just as the Hunters are. There is nothing saying that CE Specs are better than ABYC specs. I do not think a person that wants to sail a boat in the US would be wise purchasing a CE Certified boat or a European purchasing a boat in the US to take to Europe that does not have the CE Cert. either.
H
hp
Bureaucrats....
.....all over the world write their own technical specifications, relating to what they think is important. Sometimes they are driven by safety, sometimes by lawyers, politics, trade issues, locally accepted customs, or whim. Do you prefer an ABYA certificate or a Lloyds or a German Lloyds or the French certificate whose name I forget? If you follow the politics of European yacht building you will know that it is rife with the politics of standardization, so much so that most of the smaller boat builders are under extreme strain....and as for building your OWN boat, which is almost impossible or prohibitive to have CE certified...ah, progress!!!Anyway, Hunter just opened their UK factory, probably to deal with some of these issues. Over there the boats use the "Legend" name as opposed to Hunter, to distinguish them from the well established British boatbuilder of the same name.
.....all over the world write their own technical specifications, relating to what they think is important. Sometimes they are driven by safety, sometimes by lawyers, politics, trade issues, locally accepted customs, or whim. Do you prefer an ABYA certificate or a Lloyds or a German Lloyds or the French certificate whose name I forget? If you follow the politics of European yacht building you will know that it is rife with the politics of standardization, so much so that most of the smaller boat builders are under extreme strain....and as for building your OWN boat, which is almost impossible or prohibitive to have CE certified...ah, progress!!!Anyway, Hunter just opened their UK factory, probably to deal with some of these issues. Over there the boats use the "Legend" name as opposed to Hunter, to distinguish them from the well established British boatbuilder of the same name.
R
R DEUTSCH
CE RATING
Now another can of horses(I hate worms)We own a power boat and a sailboat. Ya all are talking about sails and does the same thing go towards a power boat.
Now another can of horses(I hate worms)We own a power boat and a sailboat. Ya all are talking about sails and does the same thing go towards a power boat.
T
Tom
Deutsch from NY
Yes from the CE documentation it says: The Directive 94/25/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council for Recreational Craft went into effect 16 June 1996. All recreational water craft marketed in the European Union, with a few exceptions, from 2,50 to 24,00 meters in length, both power and sail, will have to comply with the essential elements of the Directive before 16 June 1998. These essential elements have been explained in written Guidelines, by a Commission Sectoral Group, for a boat manufacturers to follow to assure compliance. "
Yes from the CE documentation it says: The Directive 94/25/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council for Recreational Craft went into effect 16 June 1996. All recreational water craft marketed in the European Union, with a few exceptions, from 2,50 to 24,00 meters in length, both power and sail, will have to comply with the essential elements of the Directive before 16 June 1998. These essential elements have been explained in written Guidelines, by a Commission Sectoral Group, for a boat manufacturers to follow to assure compliance. "
P
Pete
tom and his "CE" certifed Catalina
Tom,I e-mailed Catalina over 24 hours ago and asked about a "CE". plaque and if they are on there boats. The silence is deafing!!! Since you threw the first punch at Hunter I thougth you would like to know. I think we would all be interested to know if your boat has a "CE" plaque and if it is standard factory issued!
Tom,I e-mailed Catalina over 24 hours ago and asked about a "CE". plaque and if they are on there boats. The silence is deafing!!! Since you threw the first punch at Hunter I thougth you would like to know. I think we would all be interested to know if your boat has a "CE" plaque and if it is standard factory issued!
- Status
- Not open for further replies.