I am very interested in buying a hunter 37 cutter but I have a few questions regarding their construction. Is the rudder a spade or is it a skeg hung. The other question is what type of hull/deck joint do they use, Inward Flange, Outward flange, Shoe box type. Thanks for your help.
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Ed Schenck
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The rudder would be considered a "modified-spade"? It is hard to describe but I think of a spade rudder as a post sticking out the bottom of the boat. This rudder is kind of behind the boat. But there is no skeg. Check the pictures that Gary Henklemann posted in the Photo/Project Forum and my attached picture. The hull/deck joint is an outward flange with an aluminum toerail. Old ones leak but we have found that tightening the bolts stops those leaks. That butyl seal in there stays pliable, it's just that the water gets in past the bolts when they get loose.
The rudder would be considered a "modified-spade"? It is hard to describe but I think of a spade rudder as a post sticking out the bottom of the boat. This rudder is kind of behind the boat. But there is no skeg. Check the pictures that Gary Henklemann posted in the Photo/Project Forum and my attached picture. The hull/deck joint is an outward flange with an aluminum toerail. Old ones leak but we have found that tightening the bolts stops those leaks. That butyl seal in there stays pliable, it's just that the water gets in past the bolts when they get loose.
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Dan Sheehan AMS
Joimt amd rudder.
The rudder on the 37C is a semi-balanced spade rudder. That is it has area foreward of the rudder post to reduce the load on the steering by using some of the water flow to offset the effort required. I have never seen a 37C with a skeg but I understand there was a design for one. The hull deck joint is an inward turning flange on the hull with the deck bonded on top with an adhesive sealer then a cap rail on top of that through bolted with stainless steel bolts. All in all probably the strongest type of joint produced.
The rudder on the 37C is a semi-balanced spade rudder. That is it has area foreward of the rudder post to reduce the load on the steering by using some of the water flow to offset the effort required. I have never seen a 37C with a skeg but I understand there was a design for one. The hull deck joint is an inward turning flange on the hull with the deck bonded on top with an adhesive sealer then a cap rail on top of that through bolted with stainless steel bolts. All in all probably the strongest type of joint produced.
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Pdixon92084
I am Confused!,
Dan and Ed Thanks for the responses, but you both seem to have different ideas as to the hull joint, is it possible that the methods changed during the production runs? if you guys could clear this up I would be thankful Paul
Dan and Ed Thanks for the responses, but you both seem to have different ideas as to the hull joint, is it possible that the methods changed during the production runs? if you guys could clear this up I would be thankful Paul
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Tom Hadoulias
No Changes...
It's a matter of perspective but the joint is an inward facing joint, sealed with 5200 at the joint interface with an aluminum caprail which is a 1/4" thick cross-section "T" extrusion that is thru bolted every six inches with 5/16" stainless nuts and bolts. The sealant that Ed mentions is a mastic that Hunter used under the caprail to seal the rail and fasteners. These will sometimes leak but a simple tightening of the bolts will remedy this. This joint is very similar to any of the major builders like Island Packet and Pacific Sea Craft and is a very substantial joint as Dan has pointed out. Dan is also a marine surveyor that has comented on the 37C before as they compare to other vessels. The hull to deck joint is one reason that the Cherubini Hunters have the strength reputation that they do. Any more insight Dan? Tom Hadoulias S/V Lite Chop
It's a matter of perspective but the joint is an inward facing joint, sealed with 5200 at the joint interface with an aluminum caprail which is a 1/4" thick cross-section "T" extrusion that is thru bolted every six inches with 5/16" stainless nuts and bolts. The sealant that Ed mentions is a mastic that Hunter used under the caprail to seal the rail and fasteners. These will sometimes leak but a simple tightening of the bolts will remedy this. This joint is very similar to any of the major builders like Island Packet and Pacific Sea Craft and is a very substantial joint as Dan has pointed out. Dan is also a marine surveyor that has comented on the 37C before as they compare to other vessels. The hull to deck joint is one reason that the Cherubini Hunters have the strength reputation that they do. Any more insight Dan? Tom Hadoulias S/V Lite Chop
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Pdixon92084
Thanks Tom
Thanks Tom, Now I have it straight. Just to let you people know. I truly do envy you because you already have your H37C, I cant wait until I have mine. This seems to be such an underated boat. And I suppose that is good for some one wanting to buy. I have checked out Yachtworld (almost daily) and the prices run from the mid 40's to the low 30's. If all things are equal what is a fair price for one of these vessels. Thanks again Paul
Thanks Tom, Now I have it straight. Just to let you people know. I truly do envy you because you already have your H37C, I cant wait until I have mine. This seems to be such an underated boat. And I suppose that is good for some one wanting to buy. I have checked out Yachtworld (almost daily) and the prices run from the mid 40's to the low 30's. If all things are equal what is a fair price for one of these vessels. Thanks again Paul
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David
Hull to Deck
Tom, your description of the hull to deck joint of the Cherubinis is good except I don't believe the elastomeric compound they used is 5200. If anyone knows, I would like to know what they used.
Tom, your description of the hull to deck joint of the Cherubinis is good except I don't believe the elastomeric compound they used is 5200. If anyone knows, I would like to know what they used.
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Tom Hadoulias
Your right David...
I meant that 5200 was used for the joint between the F/G union, not the cap rail. The caprail was a Hunter exclusive adhesive of some sort. I had verified this with Greg Emerson of Hunter but I don't recall what the mastic was. He did confirm the 5200 though. Tom
I meant that 5200 was used for the joint between the F/G union, not the cap rail. The caprail was a Hunter exclusive adhesive of some sort. I had verified this with Greg Emerson of Hunter but I don't recall what the mastic was. He did confirm the 5200 though. Tom
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Sanders LaMont
Hey Paul
Send me an email address and I'll fill you in on what I learned about pricing/age/condition. I paid more, but still got a bargain. Sanders SV Good News slamont@sacbee.com
Send me an email address and I'll fill you in on what I learned about pricing/age/condition. I paid more, but still got a bargain. Sanders SV Good News slamont@sacbee.com
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Wally Smith
Distance
Just info. My h37C, Patience, left Tampa Nov 99 and is currently in Gove, Australia (Northwest corner of the Gulf of Carpentaria). I leave here in a week and plan to be in Thailand by Nov and back to the US via the Red Sea in June 04. Patience is going strong with no major problems. Get one!!!
Just info. My h37C, Patience, left Tampa Nov 99 and is currently in Gove, Australia (Northwest corner of the Gulf of Carpentaria). I leave here in a week and plan to be in Thailand by Nov and back to the US via the Red Sea in June 04. Patience is going strong with no major problems. Get one!!!
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Pdixon92084
Thanks Wally
Wally, it seems to me you answered the question if these are a blue water boat! Did you have to make any modifications to the boat before you left? If so what were they?
Wally, it seems to me you answered the question if these are a blue water boat! Did you have to make any modifications to the boat before you left? If so what were they?
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johnnie martin
82 37c
We bought our 37c last august. It's an 82 hunter 37c and we love it. It's in very good condition. Original sails with low time engine. It sails great, not real good in light wind, but it's a heavy boat. We plan to go cruising in 6-8 years and are now adding what we think we'll need. We have somewhere in the low 40's invested.We'll be adding solar panels and rain catching apparatus in the next fewmonths.
We bought our 37c last august. It's an 82 hunter 37c and we love it. It's in very good condition. Original sails with low time engine. It sails great, not real good in light wind, but it's a heavy boat. We plan to go cruising in 6-8 years and are now adding what we think we'll need. We have somewhere in the low 40's invested.We'll be adding solar panels and rain catching apparatus in the next fewmonths.
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Tom
1985 37C
I just sailed from Annapolis to Block Island to Martha's Vineyard to Nantucket to Newport on vacation. We encountered every condition from no wind to 35 knots with 10 foot seas. I am continually amazed by the comfort and handling of the boat in ocean conditions. However, I think I have now officially replaced every original part on the boat. This trip it was the original autopilot and the waterheater which bit the dust. But hey, that's sailing right?. Good luck.
I just sailed from Annapolis to Block Island to Martha's Vineyard to Nantucket to Newport on vacation. We encountered every condition from no wind to 35 knots with 10 foot seas. I am continually amazed by the comfort and handling of the boat in ocean conditions. However, I think I have now officially replaced every original part on the boat. This trip it was the original autopilot and the waterheater which bit the dust. But hey, that's sailing right?. Good luck.
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