Hull stiffening

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lewills30

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Apr 2, 2013
283
Hello all,<br />
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I am pulling everything out of the interior of the boat for a upgrade. From what I have been reading, hull stiffening stringers should be installed at this time? As well as the mast reinforcement. To prevent oil canning would I run the stringers horizontal? Or lay them up as ribs? Any ideas?<br />
<br />
Larry V-2761<br />
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don_keenan

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Apr 27, 2013
28
Have you sailed the boat and observed 'oil canning' of the bow section? I had hull # 28 and the glass was substantial. The boat did not have a pan and the bulkheads were bolted to FG tabs. I removed everything and glasses the bulk heads in place on both sides...the main and secondary closet/head. I then glassed the forepeak with a cutout to remove the SS water tank if needed. I did not experience oil canning even on SF Bay with short chop. You shouldn't need more lateral ribs and no more than one longitudinal stringer above the forepeak board if it is glassed in. Maybe the later hulls are built with less glass but the bow section. The bow section is short and has some shaping to minimize the problem. You can use thin wall schedule 40 PVC cut in half. The glass gives the stiffness not the PVC. Make sure the ends are sealed so no water or critters can find a home. Keep it simple!
Sailed to Hawaii and back without stringers.
Don Keenan

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Keenando
Boulder, CO
 
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tim_klynn

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Feb 12, 2008
337
I haven't seen any oilcanning, but then again, I've only sailed it on lakes and never went below to check. tg

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From: Don Keenan don_keenan@...
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Subject: Re: [AlbinVega]

Have you sailed the boat and observed 'oil canning' of the bow section? I had hull # 28 and the glass was substantial. The boat did not have a pan and the bulkheads were bolted to FG tabs. I removed everything and glasses the bulk heads in place on both sides...the main and secondary closet/head. I then glassed the forepeak with a cutout to remove the SS water tank if needed. I did not experience oil canning even on SF Bay with short chop. You shouldn't need more lateral ribs and no more than one longitudinal stringer above the forepeak board if it is glassed in. Maybe the later hulls are built with less glass but the bow section. The bow section is short and has some shaping to minimize the problem. You can use thin wall schedule 40 PVC cut in half. The glass gives the stiffness not the PVC. Make sure the ends are sealed so no water or critters can find a home. Keep it simple!
Sailed to Hawaii and back without stringers.
Don Keenan

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Keenando
Boulder, CO
 
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ibaeck2

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Aug 27, 2005
1
The first 30 boats , produced 1966, are known to have a weak bow. They were without the plywood bulkhead just begind the water tank. This bulkhead was added to later produktion (already 1967?) after experiences in the first offshore races.
I have not heard/seen any oilcanning but i have traces in the gelcoat which may indicate that the bow is "soft".

Ingemar sailing Vega # 2 in Stockholm archipelago, Sweden
 
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groundhogyh

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May 30, 2006
1,075
Hi All,

I am starting to investigate windvane steering systems for my vega.
Is there a model(s) that is better suited or works better with the vega than other systems?

thanks,
groundhog
 
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Subject: [AlbinVega] Windvane steering for the vega





Hi All,

I am starting to investigate windvane steering systems for my vega.
Is there a model(s) that is better suited or works better with the vega than
other systems?

thanks,
groundhog
 
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albinvega3283

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Oct 30, 2019
234
Hi


I have one of these on my Albin Vaga. Very good and fits easily with the exception that the push pit has to be modified (easy to do) to allow the self steering pendulum to swing.

If you are interested I will post pictures.

David Wisdish
Ponteneur V3283 UK Scotland

From: groundhog
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 8:21 PM
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AlbinVega] Windvane steering for the vega


Hi All,

I am starting to investigate windvane steering systems for my vega.
Is there a model(s) that is better suited or works better with the vega than other systems?

thanks,
groundhog
 
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tomfentonvega2977beowulf

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Aug 29, 2011
103
Groundhog, I have a Monitor, which I think is rather too heavy for the
Vega, but a really robust piece of kit, and I am very happy with it. I
think Matt Rutherford had the same opinion of it. I have formed the
impression over the years in this group that the Navik is very successful
on the Vega. John Denny, you may remember, did similar research and I am
sure he fitted a Navik.

Tom Fenton
SV Beowulf, V2977
www.blog.mailasail.com/beowulf
 
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lewills30

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Apr 2, 2013
283
Hi Don,


So I can glass in the bulk heads ? This doesn’t transfer the loads to pin point loading? As I look at the factory design, nothing is bonded tight to the hull...it seems to float. Maybe fleck would be a better term. I wanted to glass in all the bulk heads to the hull, plus under the cockpit, glass in a water tight area around the engine back too the bulk heads. Install a pump on the inside corner of the bulk heads and the engine bulk head if you will. Don, do you have any pictures of your bulk heads?

Larry



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From: Don Keenan
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Have you sailed the boat and observed \'oil canning\' of the bow section? I had hull # 28 and the glass was substantial. The boat did not have a pan and the bulkheads were bolted to FG tabs. I removed everything and glasses the bulk heads in place on both sides...the main and secondary closet/head. I then glassed the forepeak with a cutout to remove the SS water tank if needed. I did not experience oil canning even on SF Bay with short chop. You shouldn\'t need more lateral ribs and no more than one longitudinal stringer above the forepeak board if it is glassed in. Maybe the later hulls are built with less glass but the bow section. The bow section is short and has some shaping to minimize the problem. You can use thin wall schedule 40 PVC cut in half. The glass gives the stiffness not the PVC. Make sure the ends are sealed so no water or critters can find a home. Keep it simple!
Sailed to Hawaii and back without stringers.
Don Keenan

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Keenando
Boulder, CO
 
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africanmarco

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Dec 14, 2013
50
Albin Marin Vega 27 Venice
Hello Groundhog,

Last year I needed a windvane for my Vega in view of a long and challenging sailing from Holland to Venice-Italy, through north Sea, British Channel, Atlantic, Mediterranean Sea. In Europe, probably the most used windvane on Vega has been the Navik (http://www.bluemoment.com/manuals/navik.pdf), from Plastimo Company, but Plastimo stopped its production. Its weight is in the range of 14 kg.
Looking around I decided to buy aWindpilot Pacific Light. I purchased it for about 1\'900 euro (all components included, also a spare wind blade) I did almost half of my sailing singlehand, so I needed a reliable unit. During the Atlantic part, I faced 2 gales and my course was always close hauled, so I sailed my Vega quite hard. Never had a problem with the windvane. Got clear, sound advice from the company.
Its weight, which is an important factor, as hanging out of the transom, is relatively low, 13 kg, and at the same time the system is quite sturdy. The fixing to the transom is quite straightforward for a DIY. A second person is required, inside the lazarette to tighten the nuts.
The owner of the company is Peter Foerthmann, who sailed extensively and wrote a book on windvanes, for free downloading from his web site. Here the company details:


And a short video of my sailing in the Atlantic:


Fair winds,
marco baldan
Albin Vega 3339 Spray



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Oggetto: [AlbinVega] Windvane steering for the vega


Hi All,

I am starting to investigate windvane steering systems for my vega.
Is there a model(s) that is better suited or works better with the vega than other systems?

thanks,
groundhog

WINDPILOT
Bandwirkerstr 39 - 41
22041 Hamburg
Germany
tel: +49 40 652 52 44
fax: +49 40 68 65 15
email: peter@...://www.windpilot.com/
 
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reefmagnet

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May 9, 2011
1,000
I second the Pacific Light. I have one on my boat that has done a lot of
miles and it still works great. It also looks neat and doesn't require any
modification of the pushpit or transom. It's also made so that it can be
removed from it's mount by undoing a single bolt.
 
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johnadenney

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Oct 30, 2011
221
I bought a second hand Navik (?700) and was very pleased with it... it was light, easy to fit, easy to use and very reliable. Only problem may be getting spare parts although some bits are available. It steered my Vega extremely well except dead downwind when I used a tiller pilot instead. One of the pulleys came adrift mid Biscay but it was easy to bolt it back on.

ps it took me 2000 nm to discover that the paddle (the bit that sits in the water) could be centralised by adjusting the wind vane and then locked so it remained central for when I was motoring..... previous to that I was removing it every time I needed to motor - silly me!

Overall probably the best bit of kit on the boat - it just "worked" and kept me sane!

John
 
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groundhogyh

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May 30, 2006
1,075
When I did a web search for Navik, I did come across Mr. Vee windvanes. These are, from what I can tell, ultra light due to use of glass filled plastics and such.

But they claim to sell Navic parts.

groundhog
 
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don_keenan

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Apr 27, 2013
28
Tom,
I used a Monitor on my Vega 27 for a trip to Hawaii 1978 (downwind) and back (upwind / reaching). It worked extremely well.
In 1980 I repeated the trip in an Olson 30 (an extremely fast do wind performer) using a Navik. No problems with either one. My thoughts are these. For day trips and local cruising I would go for the Navik. For long offshore cruising to out of the way places I'd go for the monitor. Easier to fabricate replacement parts. Consider your goals.
BRW: after not sailing for over 20 years I am completing a delivery of a Roberts 48 from San Francisco to Los Angeles. The boat owner had never tried I and was surprised at the ease of use after I hooked it up. The rest of the crew was ecstatic as the conditions were fierce. Steady 18 to 35 knots and seas 6 to 10ft with a cross chop it from the south. Magnificent performance.
Just my two cents.
Don

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Keenando
Boulder, CO
 
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