Hull Detail

Kper

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Mar 12, 2014
148
Catalina 25 Iowa
I work part-time at my marina and was approached by my boss who said they had a detailer who was coming to the marina to provide an end of year detail for those interested and knew I was wanting to restore my hull back to the glory days. Apparently they have used their services in the past. I asked the detailer his process and after looking at my boat he recommended an acid wash followed by a polishing and wax. My hull is on the dull side but I'm sure can be brought back to a shine. Does this sound like standard operating procedure? I'm concerned because my last estimate (from a friend who's wife does it - no kidding) quoted me $850. The detailer quoted me $285.
 
Jun 8, 2004
3,011
Catalina 320 Dana Point
I get my boat detailed every 9 to 12 months, $400 to $500 for 32' boat done in the water, two guys, 2.5 days.
No acid involved that I'm aware of.
 
Aug 16, 2009
1,000
Hunter 1986 H31 California Yacht Marina, Chula Vista, CA
If you look back in the archives at MS' extensive hull restoration instructions, he includes the acid wash process for badly oxidized hulls. Not sure, however, just how to tell when a hull warrants that part of the process. You certainly could not [legally] do it with the boat in any US waterway, and doubtful that very many yards would allow it either.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,833
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
$285 for acid wash to final wax sounds pretty good to me for a 25'r but I would think the steps would be acid wash, compound, polish and wax.
I skipped the acid wash on mine but did follow the rest of Maine Sail's procedure including wet sanding with various grits of paper. Took about 12 hours total including 3 coats of wax.
I think if I was not able to do it myself, I would go with the $285 if the detailer had good references.
 

Kper

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Mar 12, 2014
148
Catalina 25 Iowa
It's not so much having the time but more so I have a bum shoulder that prevents me from doing the work. My main concern was the proper steps with gel coat, i.e. gritty compounds. As far as missing the compound stage I'm not sure it needs it but then maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, either. I just don't want to damage the gel coat.

If these steps sound ok I might let them give it a go.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
Kinda figured the "acid wash" would be Oxalic acid. I carry that aboard and use it, on my painted hull, to wash rust stains and the "waterway Frown" off the boat. Works quite well, and should have zero affect on gel coat.
 

Joe

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Jun 1, 2004
8,318
Catalina 27 Mission Bay, San Diego
I "acid wash" my Nacra beach cat all the time.... it's called toilet bowl cleaner, diluted in some water.... it will remove the algae (brown scum) just like that... no scrubbing.. I got just as much algae sailing in freshwater lakes as I did in saltwater.

Buy some toilet bowl cleaner that contains Hydrochloric Acid.. not bleach. You can buy the commercial grade concentrated acid based bowl cleaner for about $5/quart. A few capfuls in a bucket of water, a long handled pot scrubber brush... and a garden hose to rinse... you're good. It doesn't hurt the boat.
 
Jan 19, 2010
12,935
Hobie 16 & Rhodes 22 Skeeter Charleston
Oxalic acid is found in rust remover's, bar keeper's friend and sometimes you can actually just shop for oxalic acid.

Hydrochloric Acid also is sold under the name Muriatic Acid. It is sold in the big box store Home Improvement shops as deck wash or house wash.

Someone above said it would be illegal to use in U.S. waters but I don't think that is the case. Oxalic acid is a natural plant extract and Muriatic acid is also stomach acid.
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
It's not so much having the time but more so I have a bum shoulder that prevents me from doing the work. My main concern was the proper steps with gel coat, i.e. gritty compounds. As far as missing the compound stage I'm not sure it needs it but then maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, either. I just don't want to damage the gel coat. If these steps sound ok I might let them give it a go.
Read the MaineSail article that Stu posted and you will be equipped to spec, and direct the work of a vendor. I have used acid (MaryKate On-Off) to effectively remove the "ditch smile" that stains a hull during an ICW trip. Muriatic acid is just a stronger version of the same technique. Keep it off your bottom paint and metal bits. Good luck
 

Kper

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Mar 12, 2014
148
Catalina 25 Iowa
Speaking of bottom paint... My oblast I've is all but gone. Pressure washed what was left at haul-out leaving only the barrier coat. Will the acid wash effect that?

Edit: Stupid spell-correct, ablative, not oblast
 
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Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Speaking of bottom paint...
My oblast I've is all but gone. Pressure washed what was left at haul-out leaving only the barrier coat. Will the acid wash effect that?
No, this is a good chance to do the entire hull.
 

Ward H

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Nov 7, 2011
3,833
Catalina 30 Mk II Cedar Creek, Bayville NJ
Kyle,
I think the guys covered the safety of the acid wash.

As far as the compound step, I don't think that is one to be skipped if you want a long lasting shine. I only needed to sand areas which were scratched. Rounding off the sharp edges of scratch help to make them disappear from a few feet away.
Compounding will take the finish from dull to shiny. If you stop there it may look good but will still have fine swirls. Microscopically the surface is still rough and more surface is exposed to UV rays and the shine won't last.
The polish step removes the swirls and smooth's the finish. The waxing protects the finish.

Now, I am not an expert. I am just regurgitating what I learned from Maine Sail's article.

I believe the answer to whether the compound step is required is yes. If the detailer is skipping that step I would be worried he is using a polish that contains silicone which gives the gel coat a fast but false shine that won't last the season despite a good wax.

Like I said, I followed Maine Sail's steps, except for the acid wash, the spring of 2013 and put on 3 coats of 3M wax. Spring of 2014 I gave it a good soap wash and another couple of coats of 3M wax. Still getting compliments.

There is a guy with a O'day 26 that ends up near me for the winter. He uses a buffer and one step cleaner & wax. He does his boat fall and spring and is happy with it.

I guess I am revising what I said in the first answer.

If you can wax the boat yourself, then the $800 job, which is probably a complete job, could last several years with you waxing it a couple of times a year.
If you can't wax it yourself, maybe the once or twice a year $285 quickie job is the way to go.

As far as damaging the gel coat, I don't think either method is better or worse but it makes sense that the more you compound/polish the gel coat, the thinner it will get.

Of course, this is just my opinion and YMMV.
 
Mar 1, 2012
2,182
1961 Rhodes Meridian 25 Texas coast
Oxalic acid is found in rust remover's, bar keeper's friend and sometimes you can actually just shop for oxalic acid.
I buy mine at the local ACE hardware store. They keep it as "wood Bleach" Brand name is Savogran. Crystal form, and Much cheaper than buying something already diluted