How Weight affects Performance

rogerefairest · Dec 3, 2009

Great anecdote!

Where was the trailer attached to the Vega? not having a trailer I have the picture in my head of the trailer hanging from the bow vertically to the lake floor……………..

Cheers

tim_klynn · Dec 3, 2009

The trailer was strapped to the boat just forward of the mast and also behind the winches.
Benefits of sailing with the trailer still attached:
1) Quicker launch and retrieval
2) Protection from damage if running aground, may just roll over obstacles
3) Less heeling and more righting force with 50% more ballast down low

Drawbacks of sailing with trailer still attached:
1) The extra drag will probably add at least a few seconds to the PHRF
2) Added depth below waterline may cause running aground in shallow water, possibly offset by # 2 above.
3) Someone sees me doing it, films it, and puts it out on the web.

pjacobs55 · Dec 3, 2009

Hopefully it was strapped down like this:

http://www3.telus.net/public/prjacobs/haulout.jpg

You could probably try sailing that way ;-)

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'

emmajen5 · Dec 3, 2009

I live on a small island on the west coast of Canada that
does not have car ferry service. Leaving your trailer
strapped to the boat has become a time honoured method of
moving small boat trailers onto the the island. The
alternative is a very expensive barge service. I don't
think I would go much over 15 feet though.

Garry
V. 2427

rogerefairest · Dec 4, 2009

I have to say, it does looks tempting!

tim_klynn · Dec 4, 2009

Since this was our first time launching/hauling the boat, we figured there were going to be some hard lessons to be learned so we waited until the very end of the season so that everyone else already had their boats off the water and were gone. It's a small lake and everyone knows everyone so we probably save a lifetime of ribbing by that decision....

I strap the boat down pretty much just like Peter's photo, and fortunately, use the same size straps. It's good to hear that using a boat as a flotation device for trailers is accepted practice in Canada, if anyone did see the runaway trailer spectacle, I now have an excuse "I was just testing out the Canadian Inter-Island Trailer Transport Method".

The best part of the whole thing, is that even though it was a little stressful for my gal, is that she is still hanging in there with the whole learning to sail thing. I'm hoping to take the boat down to the Sea of Cortez next year and she is game for it. We just got back from an exploratory trip to San Diego and the Sea of Cortez. I got to experience sailing on the ocean for the first time in San Diego. Unfortunately it was a rented Catalina 270, but it was great to experience steady 8-12 knot winds that blew from generally the same direction for more than 20 minutes.

We then checked out San Felipe on the Sea of Cortez. There is a new marina (3-4 years old) there and the slip rate seemed really cheap. My spanish translation is pretty bad, but I think it was $1/ft per month. The marina facilities/bathrooms etc were the best I've seen in Mexico and nicer than my own bathroom. We then drove south down the coast on Highway 5. Eventually the pavement ran out and to make a long story short, we ended up driving 80 miles down a rocky, washed out and washboarded road that they use for the Baja 1000 off road race. It took a little creative driving but was quite scenic, if not a little slow and bumpy. At one point I smelled hot oil but couldn't find any leaks/problems. It turned out the shocks on the rental car had gotten so hot you couldn't touch them. We came back up the west coast of the peninsula, checking out small towns along the way. In all we drove 2100 miles in 6 days. Hopefully, some day we will revisit those towns
by sea....

The sunny, warm San Diego/Mexico trip was my idea for a quick and dirty vacation. Next week we are driving to Bend Oregon so that Cindy can race in Cyclocross Nationals. Bike racing is a little too much work for me, I was looking on the map for some nearby sailing to be had in the area.... From what I've seen of the Oregon Coast, it is probably just a little too rough (wind/seas/tides/rocks) for a newbie like myself.

Now it is back to work in chilly Colorado. If I get some time today I'm going to go shovel snow off the boat in 8 degree weather. I'm guessing it is not a good idea to have a glacier form in the cockpit...

pelagicasd · Dec 6, 2009

Hi Tim. A marina in Mexico that charges a dollar a foot is hard to believe. Before you count on it double check on your translation. I could believe a dollar a day per foot or $10.00 a foot for a month. Walt
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
From: tim_klynn@...
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 08:01:33 -0800
Subject: Re: [AlbinVega] Re: How Weight affects Performance

Since this was our first time launching/hauling the boat, we figured there were going to be some hard lessons to be learned so we waited until the very end of the season so that everyone else already had their boats off the water and were gone. It's a small lake and everyone knows everyone so we probably save a lifetime of ribbing by that decision....

I strap the boat down pretty much just like Peter's photo, and fortunately, use the same size straps. It's good to hear that using a boat as a flotation device for trailers is accepted practice in Canada, if anyone did see the runaway trailer spectacle, I now have an excuse "I was just testing out the Canadian Inter-Island Trailer Transport Method".

The best part of the whole thing, is that even though it was a little stressful for my gal, is that she is still hanging in there with the whole learning to sail thing. I'm hoping to take the boat down to the Sea of Cortez next year and she is game for it. We just got back from an exploratory trip to San Diego and the Sea of Cortez. I got to experience sailing on the ocean for the first time in San Diego. Unfortunately it was a rented Catalina 270, but it was great to experience steady 8-12 knot winds that blew from generally the same direction for more than 20 minutes.

We then checked out San Felipe on the Sea of Cortez. There is a new marina (3-4 years old) there and the slip rate seemed really cheap. My spanish translation is pretty bad, but I think it was $1/ft per month. The marina facilities/bathrooms etc were the best I've seen in Mexico and nicer than my own bathroom. We then drove south down the coast on Highway 5. Eventually the pavement ran out and to make a long story short, we ended up driving 80 miles down a rocky, washed out and washboarded road that they use for the Baja 1000 off road race. It took a little creative driving but was quite scenic, if not a little slow and bumpy. At one point I smelled hot oil but couldn't find any leaks/problems. It turned out the shocks on the rental car had gotten so hot you couldn't touch them. We came back up the west coast of the peninsula, checking out small towns along the way. In all we drove 2100 miles in 6 days. Hopefully, some day we will revisit those towns
by sea....

The sunny, warm San Diego/Mexico trip was my idea for a quick and dirty vacation. Next week we are driving to Bend Oregon so that Cindy can race in Cyclocross Nationals. Bike racing is a little too much work for me, I was looking on the map for some nearby sailing to be had in the area.... From what I've seen of the Oregon Coast, it is probably just a little too rough (wind/seas/tides/rocks) for a newbie like myself.

Now it is back to work in chilly Colorado. If I get some time today I'm going to go shovel snow off the boat in 8 degree weather. I'm guessing it is not a good idea to have a glacier form in the cockpit...

tim_klynn · Dec 6, 2009

Luckily I brought back a brochure and broke out the calculator and english spanish dicitonary. You are correct, it is about $260/month, not including electricity/use of bathroom/laundry or internet. Not such a deal. That is pretty much what a slip in Colorado costs per month by the season.

Out of curiosity, what do slips run elsewhere?

pelagicasd · Dec 9, 2009

Tim, I dont recall much about the slips prices in Mexico. Just some of them are much more expensive than others.

I don't recall any of them being inexpensive. From what I understand someplaces are even charging fees to anchor out. As an aside, when we were in the San Francisco bay area we paid around $350 a month for a livaboard slip. Now in southern Oregon we pay $1100 a year for a slip with eclectricity! Cheaper if we didnt want one with power. Walt
To: AlbinVega@yahoogroups.com
From: tim_klynn@...
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 16:47:01 -0800
Subject: RE: [AlbinVega] Re: How Weight affects Performance

Luckily I brought back a brochure and broke out the calculator and english spanish dicitonary. You are correct, it is about $260/month, not including electricity/use of bathroom/laundry or internet. Not such a deal. That is pretty much what a slip in Colorado costs per month by the season.

Out of curiosity, what do slips run elsewhere?