Hi, I am planning to purchase a sailboat soon and wish to figure out most of my costs ahead of time. I'm having trouble figuring out the maintenance costs and schedules. For example, some people scrape the bottom of the boat once a month while others do it once a year etc. etc. etc. Anyone have any general words of wisdom on annual maintenance requirements and costs on a 36 footer? Any help is sincerely appreciated!! Steve T Newbie
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You can figure the slip rent at $425 average cost. Dive service at $35/month. Some charge utilities. Wash down service at $60. Pull boat every three years for paint: $1200. Repairs at $100/ month. Upgrades are up to you, but I'd add $200/month (For example, a suit of sails every ten years at $6,000.) It's important to look at this stuff, but don't get overwhelmed by it either. Good luck, Rick D.
You can figure the slip rent at $425 average cost. Dive service at $35/month. Some charge utilities. Wash down service at $60. Pull boat every three years for paint: $1200. Repairs at $100/ month. Upgrades are up to you, but I'd add $200/month (For example, a suit of sails every ten years at $6,000.) It's important to look at this stuff, but don't get overwhelmed by it either. Good luck, Rick D.
Or - how much money do you have in the bank
Actually Rick seemed to hit it fairly well. On our side of the country its alittle cheaper depending on where you live. For $35 I can be hauled spray washed and dumped back in about an hour. Slip is $85/mon. Bottom painting doing it yourself Cost of paint $600 Sanding materials $40 Dropping the boat on its side after moving the stand - priceless.... Joking about the stand Jim S/V Java
Actually Rick seemed to hit it fairly well. On our side of the country its alittle cheaper depending on where you live. For $35 I can be hauled spray washed and dumped back in about an hour. Slip is $85/mon. Bottom painting doing it yourself Cost of paint $600 Sanding materials $40 Dropping the boat on its side after moving the stand - priceless.... Joking about the stand Jim S/V Java
WOW!
I want to move -- average slip rental in the Annapolis area is about $2800 for that 36 footer. Actually its probably more. For 2006 I'll be looking for something less. Best of luck. Paul
I want to move -- average slip rental in the Annapolis area is about $2800 for that 36 footer. Actually its probably more. For 2006 I'll be looking for something less. Best of luck. Paul
dont move to chicago and live in the suburbs!
ill be paying close to 4k this year for my 35' slip. the harbors are owned by the city and run by westrec. they get a 25% premium if you are not living in the city. mike
ill be paying close to 4k this year for my 35' slip. the harbors are owned by the city and run by westrec. they get a 25% premium if you are not living in the city. mike
Chicago Commuter
mike - That's one of the big reasons I've got my boat in Racine. At $2220/season, it's much more affordable. Other pluses are that it doesn't take me a whole lot longer to get there from the western suburbs than if I was driving downtown, it's got a pool, it's much more kid friendly, and the staff has been excellent. I went up there when I was working for a client in Racine 3-4 years ago, and haven't left. T J
mike - That's one of the big reasons I've got my boat in Racine. At $2220/season, it's much more affordable. Other pluses are that it doesn't take me a whole lot longer to get there from the western suburbs than if I was driving downtown, it's got a pool, it's much more kid friendly, and the staff has been excellent. I went up there when I was working for a client in Racine 3-4 years ago, and haven't left. T J
costs around where i live are crazy
here is what I would have to pay (if my father didn't own the boat yard). The boat is a C30: Haul--$300 Launch--$300 Pressure wash--$180 Bottom Paint--$380 Storage--$600 Shrinkwrap--$360 Winterize boat--$600 So just that basic comes to a total of: $2720 This doesn't include stepping the mast or taking it down and my mooring fee is only $50/year. Luckily I have one because there is now close to an 11 year wait to even get your name on the list. And the price of docks are selling for the price of houses. Just a look at what you can expect to pay around here if you do the cleaning and all that stuff yourself.
here is what I would have to pay (if my father didn't own the boat yard). The boat is a C30: Haul--$300 Launch--$300 Pressure wash--$180 Bottom Paint--$380 Storage--$600 Shrinkwrap--$360 Winterize boat--$600 So just that basic comes to a total of: $2720 This doesn't include stepping the mast or taking it down and my mooring fee is only $50/year. Luckily I have one because there is now close to an 11 year wait to even get your name on the list. And the price of docks are selling for the price of houses. Just a look at what you can expect to pay around here if you do the cleaning and all that stuff yourself.
Slip $675.00 a year plus tax
On Lake Ouachita yearly slip rental runs from 550 a year to about 1100 a year, depends on marina. Mine is 675, but I had to run my own 30 amp service. I went ahead and ran 100 amps to the dock and let other folks rent juice from me to help recover installation cost. As far as haul outs and bottom jobs I do mine myself, I'm partners on a trailer and just have to hire a crane to destep and step the mast. the one at the marina cost about 75 dollars each time, but I launched at a different marina because it was easier access. One mile off of the highway versus 6 miles on a long and winding road. So the crane ran $225.00 may cost more now. One thing to remember about a boat, and it is true. They are holes in the water you through money into. Couldn't do without my boat though, for sanity reasons. I will pull my boat out after two seasons and clean the hull and roll some more antifouling paint on. I'm on a freshwater lake and really don't have to but I want to check the bottom anyway. On saltwater you have to haul out more often probably every two to three years. I have friends who have had theirs in the lake for five years and are just now needing to haul out. Tim Welsh H34 AKA Cabo Wabo
On Lake Ouachita yearly slip rental runs from 550 a year to about 1100 a year, depends on marina. Mine is 675, but I had to run my own 30 amp service. I went ahead and ran 100 amps to the dock and let other folks rent juice from me to help recover installation cost. As far as haul outs and bottom jobs I do mine myself, I'm partners on a trailer and just have to hire a crane to destep and step the mast. the one at the marina cost about 75 dollars each time, but I launched at a different marina because it was easier access. One mile off of the highway versus 6 miles on a long and winding road. So the crane ran $225.00 may cost more now. One thing to remember about a boat, and it is true. They are holes in the water you through money into. Couldn't do without my boat though, for sanity reasons. I will pull my boat out after two seasons and clean the hull and roll some more antifouling paint on. I'm on a freshwater lake and really don't have to but I want to check the bottom anyway. On saltwater you have to haul out more often probably every two to three years. I have friends who have had theirs in the lake for five years and are just now needing to haul out. Tim Welsh H34 AKA Cabo Wabo
Marina fees
Fees at our marina are $5 per foot per month. Our Hunter 25.5 is $125 a month for 9 months, then $70 per month during winter even if we stay in the water and sail. This includes full use of the marina facilities and water hook-up. But not shore power. Electric is $50 total additional for the 9 months, then $25 per month during winter (higher due to the use of bubblers). Labor rate is $60 per hour, $30 minimum. Yacht club dues are $30 per year.
Fees at our marina are $5 per foot per month. Our Hunter 25.5 is $125 a month for 9 months, then $70 per month during winter even if we stay in the water and sail. This includes full use of the marina facilities and water hook-up. But not shore power. Electric is $50 total additional for the 9 months, then $25 per month during winter (higher due to the use of bubblers). Labor rate is $60 per hour, $30 minimum. Yacht club dues are $30 per year.
How much money do you have?
They don't call a boat "a hole in the water into which you pour money" for nothing. One thing I will say is that smaller boats cost much less to maintain, require less labor on your part and can be lots of fun. So, if the costs seem steep you may want to consider starting with something smaller. For instance, Rick mentions that sails for your 36 footer will cost $6,000. Sails for my Catalina 22 (new main and new 150 furler genny) cost $1,300. That kind of magnitude of difference will apply to a lot of things.
They don't call a boat "a hole in the water into which you pour money" for nothing. One thing I will say is that smaller boats cost much less to maintain, require less labor on your part and can be lots of fun. So, if the costs seem steep you may want to consider starting with something smaller. For instance, Rick mentions that sails for your 36 footer will cost $6,000. Sails for my Catalina 22 (new main and new 150 furler genny) cost $1,300. That kind of magnitude of difference will apply to a lot of things.
How often Maintenence
Just purchased an O'Day 25 and I had the boat dived on. How often should I have it done, I'm on the Elizabeth river in downtown Norfolk.
Just purchased an O'Day 25 and I had the boat dived on. How often should I have it done, I'm on the Elizabeth river in downtown Norfolk.
Oh, Insurance
Figure $50-80/month for insurance too. I can't think of much more. The fixed costs are fairly predictable. The fix-it costs and I-wanta-have costs are a bit more difficult. On the whole, I think I'm in the ballpark for Marina del Rey, CA. Rick D.
Figure $50-80/month for insurance too. I can't think of much more. The fixed costs are fairly predictable. The fix-it costs and I-wanta-have costs are a bit more difficult. On the whole, I think I'm in the ballpark for Marina del Rey, CA. Rick D.
Yearly costs
I guess it depends on where you live. In the northeast we can only sail from April through November (most but not all) so I pull the boat for the winter. When I was purchasing the boat the broker told me to plan on spending at least $4,000 per year with my yard. Actually, last year I did but I also had the mast pulled (not done every year) needed the boat lifted so I could do some work on the rudder and needed a new fuel pump. This year my winter yard bill is $1,900,which includes hauling, power washing, bottom paint in the spring, shrink wrap and engine winterizing. Summer dockage is $2,200 and insurance is $800.00. So, without any maintance or toys I am already up to $5,000.00. Hopefully this gives you an idea. Keep in mind this is Long Island, things tend to cost more here.
I guess it depends on where you live. In the northeast we can only sail from April through November (most but not all) so I pull the boat for the winter. When I was purchasing the boat the broker told me to plan on spending at least $4,000 per year with my yard. Actually, last year I did but I also had the mast pulled (not done every year) needed the boat lifted so I could do some work on the rudder and needed a new fuel pump. This year my winter yard bill is $1,900,which includes hauling, power washing, bottom paint in the spring, shrink wrap and engine winterizing. Summer dockage is $2,200 and insurance is $800.00. So, without any maintance or toys I am already up to $5,000.00. Hopefully this gives you an idea. Keep in mind this is Long Island, things tend to cost more here.
Rule of Thumb
When I was doing simaliar research before buying my boat, a friend who runs a mrina told me to plan on a minimum of $100 per foot, thus your 36 footer would cost about $3600 a year to maintain. This doesn't includes extras or extensive refitting or "toys". Hope that helps.
When I was doing simaliar research before buying my boat, a friend who runs a mrina told me to plan on a minimum of $100 per foot, thus your 36 footer would cost about $3600 a year to maintain. This doesn't includes extras or extensive refitting or "toys". Hope that helps.
Marinas....get what you pay for (sometimes)
In Jacksonville dockage can be found for as 'little' as $250 or so a month for a 34'er with questionable electrics & water on a run-down fixed dock...or as much as $475 for a floating dock with pump-out, water and all the electrics you can stand.
In Jacksonville dockage can be found for as 'little' as $250 or so a month for a 34'er with questionable electrics & water on a run-down fixed dock...or as much as $475 for a floating dock with pump-out, water and all the electrics you can stand.
Long Island Sound smorgasbord...
I agree with the estimate of $100 per foot and I don't think there are significant differences in cost between the coasts (i.e., no place is cheap), so for what it's worth here are miscellaneous expenses from my Long Island Sound boatyard: haulout with storage $60/ft (yearly), mooring with launching the same; $300 for diesel winterizing/routine maintenance; mast removal/storage $10/ft (of mast length, do it every 3-5 years); sail washing/inspection by the pound of cloth (about $60/sail for my 28 footer); $100 for winterizing head/water system; $5 for waste pumpout (a real bargain there, but it's government subsidized); $50 for one mooring pennant, replace annually; $50 for 2 prop shaft zincs, may be needed as many as 3 times a season; soda blast old bottom paint $3000 (on a 28-footer); or strip and repaint bottom $4500; Do it yourself bottom painting $180 (a good way to get through that first year of sticker shock is to just paint over your old bottom paint with new after minor prep work. You'll learn about the boat and yourself and give yourself a year to figure out the costs better). My BoatUS insurance is about $700/year and my State registration is about $95/year (with no additional property tax). Don't be afraid to take the plunge in spite of how expensive it looks...
I agree with the estimate of $100 per foot and I don't think there are significant differences in cost between the coasts (i.e., no place is cheap), so for what it's worth here are miscellaneous expenses from my Long Island Sound boatyard: haulout with storage $60/ft (yearly), mooring with launching the same; $300 for diesel winterizing/routine maintenance; mast removal/storage $10/ft (of mast length, do it every 3-5 years); sail washing/inspection by the pound of cloth (about $60/sail for my 28 footer); $100 for winterizing head/water system; $5 for waste pumpout (a real bargain there, but it's government subsidized); $50 for one mooring pennant, replace annually; $50 for 2 prop shaft zincs, may be needed as many as 3 times a season; soda blast old bottom paint $3000 (on a 28-footer); or strip and repaint bottom $4500; Do it yourself bottom painting $180 (a good way to get through that first year of sticker shock is to just paint over your old bottom paint with new after minor prep work. You'll learn about the boat and yourself and give yourself a year to figure out the costs better). My BoatUS insurance is about $700/year and my State registration is about $95/year (with no additional property tax). Don't be afraid to take the plunge in spite of how expensive it looks...
you need this
there is a universal adapter on the market at almost every marine supply store in the world. it only takes a few minutes to install and works great. basically it hooks your bilgepump up directly to your checking acount....any time there is the slightest acumulation of capital, the contents of your checking acount will be automatically emptied. the obvious advantage to this is that it eliminates the need to calculate or estimate expenses.
there is a universal adapter on the market at almost every marine supply store in the world. it only takes a few minutes to install and works great. basically it hooks your bilgepump up directly to your checking acount....any time there is the slightest acumulation of capital, the contents of your checking acount will be automatically emptied. the obvious advantage to this is that it eliminates the need to calculate or estimate expenses.
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