How safe is it to use a generator?

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Nov 22, 2011
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Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
Why not just heat the water on your stove. Works perfect for me over the last 30 years.... heh heh:dance:
Especially when it comes to coffee, it's pretty hard to beat one of these: https://shoponline.melitta.com/product/64007/COFFMKRSPROVER Just boil water in the tea kettle and then pour over the grounds. The coffee comes out great and when you're done you just dump the filter straight into the trash. There's virtually zero cleanup.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Then there is the wiring to consider. How are you going to power the coffee maker? extension cord down the hatch? connect to the boat AC electrical circuit (loads of other stuff needed to meet codes with that option)
I'm thinking use it once and discover that it is in fact too noisy, dangerous.... and then bring it home and use it there for emergency reefer powering etc
There are much easier ways to stay cool, and heat water on boats that provide additional benefits.
 
Nov 6, 2009
353
Hunter 37 FL
My father in law just bought us a small gas powered generator for our small Hunter H240. It's a very nice gift but I am somewhat worried about the safety of using one on a boat this size. I had him on the boat recently and he thought we needed something to power a big fan or small Keurig coffee maker. My two biggest safety concerns are #1 carbon monoxide poisoning and #2 storage below deck. I bought a CO detector to prevent the first problem but I am scared to death of taking something containing gasoline below deck since I have no way to get rid of any fumes. My wife thinks its a great gift and it is but my worries are getting the best of me. Am I just being paranoid or is there some safe way around this. I haven't taken it to the boat yet and am trying to think of a way to work this out safely.
Our Honda generator 2000 is nice for when we really need it (a/c cuz it's hot), but "need" and "want" are 2 different things. I'm happy with NO microwave and have been for many years. I cook very nicely with my pressure cooker, stovetop and oven with propane. Coffee made with our propane stove and drinking coffee in the cockpit in peace and quiet in the morning is wonderful. I can't imagine having to run a generator to make coffee in the morning, bake bread in the afternoon, etc. The best popcorn is made with the pressure cooker. But, to each his own. Helps to have solar panels and plenty of propane. We have two 6lb propane tanks on our stern that last us about 4 months. So, when one tank runs out we know we have couple of months before we need to refill the one empty one. Best wishes on your journey.
 
Nov 22, 2011
1,246
Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
Our Honda generator 2000 is nice for when we really need it (a/c cuz it's hot), but "need" and "want" are 2 different things. I'm happy with NO microwave and have been for many years. I cook very nicely with my pressure cooker, stovetop and oven with propane. Coffee made with our propane stove and drinking coffee in the cockpit in peace and quiet in the morning is wonderful. I can't imagine having to run a generator to make coffee in the morning, bake bread in the afternoon, etc. The best popcorn is made with the pressure cooker. But, to each his own. Helps to have solar panels and plenty of propane. We have two 6lb propane tanks on our stern that last us about 4 months. So, when one tank runs out we know we have couple of months before we need to refill the one empty one. Best wishes on your journey.
Can you tell us what sort of pressure cooker you use on your stove?
 
Nov 6, 2009
353
Hunter 37 FL
Can you tell us what sort of pressure cooker you use on your stove?
We have a Presto stainless steel pressure cooker. They make both 4 and 6 qt size. We have 6 qt size, but for the 2 of us, the 4 qt would have been adequate since I don't plan on canning.
 

Gail R

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Apr 22, 2009
261
Pearson 34 Freeport, ME
No need for a Keureg

Especially when it comes to coffee, it's pretty hard to beat one of these: https://shoponline.melitta.com/product/64007/COFFMKRSPROVER Just boil water in the tea kettle and then pour over the grounds. The coffee comes out great and when you're done you just dump the filter straight into the trash. There's virtually zero cleanup.
We've been making ours that way for 20 years. Not only is cleanup a breeze, but we're not filling up the local landfills with those stupid little plastic cups.

I cannot understand for the life of me why people need to pollute the anchorage with a generator, especially first thing in the morning. Just boil water on the stove and use a Melita.

And Honda generator owners: No, it is not the least bit quiet. The racket from those things carries quite effectively across the water a considerable distance, as does the stench of the exhaust. Sure, you might be upwind of it, but anyone unlucky enough to be downwind of you is not.

Since my first camping trip at age five months, I've been able to survive camping and boating trips without a generator. In fact, I revel in it. Simplifying our existance by limiting power needs is one of the reasons we go out.

I'm with Mainesail. The generators, and the inconsiderate people who run them at all hours, are ruining the experience for the rest of us.
 
Nov 7, 2012
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1978 Catalina 30 Wilbur-by-the-Sea
Especially when it comes to coffee, it's pretty hard to beat one of these: https://shoponline.melitta.com/product/64007/COFFMKRSPROVER Just boil water in the tea kettle and then pour over the grounds. The coffee comes out great and when you're done you just dump the filter straight into the trash. There's virtually zero cleanup.
I have one of those except it is made of silicone and collapses flat to save space. Good coffee.
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
The best popcorn is made with the pressure cooker..
Please tell me how to make popcorn in a PCooker. I have a great PCooker, but never considered making popcorn.
Thanks
 

capta

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Jun 4, 2009
4,905
Pearson 530 Admiralty Bay, Bequia SVG
"I cannot understand for the life of me why people need to pollute the anchorage with a generator, especially first thing in the morning. Just boil water on the stove and use a Melita."

Unfortunately, some of have boats built before the USCG decided to allow propane aboard charter boats, so we have electric cooking.
We have to start a gene to make breakfast and dinner, so forgive us a tad bit of "polluting the anchorage" if you would, because I really don't want to eat sandwiches all the time. Of course, you could always donate to our conversion to propane, if you have a few g's to spare.
Thanks.
 
Nov 6, 2009
353
Hunter 37 FL
Please tell me how to make popcorn in a PCooker. I have a great PCooker, but never considered making popcorn.
Thanks
It's the easiest way to make popcorn, and maybe a couple of kernels that don't get popped. Just Google search pressure cooker popcorn or go to YouTube and search for pressure cooker popcorn for a video. Main thing is to leave the pressure regulator off the lid. Here is a link to how I make it, but I skip step 3. I put the canola oil and popcorn in the pot and put the lid on at the beginning. http://www.ehow.com/how_7724928_make-popcorn-pressure-cooker.html
 
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Nov 22, 2011
1,246
Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
"I cannot understand for the life of me why people need to pollute the anchorage with a generator, especially first thing in the morning. Just boil water on the stove and use a Melita."

Unfortunately, some of have boats built before the USCG decided to allow propane aboard charter boats, so we have electric cooking.
We have to start a gene to make breakfast and dinner, so forgive us a tad bit of "polluting the anchorage" if you would, because I really don't want to eat sandwiches all the time. Of course, you could always donate to our conversion to propane, if you have a few g's to spare.
Thanks.
You could buy one of these for under $25 and make your coffee in peace and quiet. The canisters cost about $1.25 at the local Korean grocery store and burn for about an hour and a half.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Camp-Chef-Butane-Single-Burner-Stove/20468060

And if you'd like, we could take up a collection to buy your first canister.:D
 
Nov 18, 2010
2,441
Catalina 310 Hingham, MA
We've been making ours that way for 20 years. Not only is cleanup a breeze, but we're not filling up the local landfills with those stupid little plastic cups.
Careful here. Your paper filters are doing the same. Pretty much nothing breaks down in modern landfills, not even paper. We use a stainless steal French press. Grounds go in the water, nothing into a landfill.

I cannot understand for the life of me why people need to pollute the anchorage with a generator, especially first thing in the morning. Just boil water on the stove and use a Melita.
Agreed, there should be no reason to run a gen and disturb anyone else's morning.

And Honda generator owners: No, it is not the least bit quiet. The racket from those things carries quite effectively across the water a considerable distance, as does the stench of the exhaust. Sure, you might be upwind of it, but anyone unlucky enough to be downwind of you is not.

Since my first camping trip at age five months, I've been able to survive camping and boating trips without a generator. In fact, I revel in it. Simplifying our existance by limiting power needs is one of the reasons we go out.

I'm with Mainesail. The generators, and the inconsiderate people who run them at all hours, are ruining the experience for the rest of us.
I don't own a Honda generator yet, but plan to soon. Yes, they produce noise. Yes, they have exhaust. But so do the onboard, built in units. They can disrupt a quiet anchorage just as easy. You have to be considerate when using all types of things in anchorages. To me, the morning and after dinner is pretty much out for all disruptive things.

When I get my Honda, I will run it in anchorages. During the middle of the day to top off batteries if it has been cloudy for a couple of days and the solar isn't getting enough juice or to power tools for boat projects. When we leave to go cruising, we won't have any other options. And if you use it appropriately, how is it any different then an outboard motor on dinghy?

Sailing doesn't have to be like camping. Many of us don't want it to be. I also don't want it to be like living in an ocean side condo. I want it to be boating. It's somewhere in-between the two yet different from both.

Now, back to the OPs question about safely storing the generator. The generator in question has a 1.1 gallon fuel tank. He is planning on storing it on a Hunter 240, I would guess that the interior volume is less than 40 % of the length/beam/ height but will use 25% since that is more conservative. That would be an interior volume of around 275 cubic feet (that's about the same as a full size van).

Gasoline has a lower explosive limit of 1.4% and an upper explosive limit of 7.6%. Below 1.4%, it's too lean to be flammable, above 7.6% its too rich and there is not enough oxygen. The odor threshold for gasoline is 7.4 part per million, which is 0.00074%. Based on the vapor pressure of gasoline, it roughly expands 4 times is liquid volume size when spilled.

So where am I going with all this. If you were to spill the entire tank on the generator onto the floor on a day above 70 degrees, there would be a chance of creating an explosive atmosphere in the boat (LEL of 1.6%). However, that is highly unlikely. You would have to leave the generator with the cap off and turned upside down.

What is more likely is that you would spill a small amount of gasoline (a spill of only 0.002 gallons would be above the odor threshold and you would smell it) or the cap would not be vapor tight and the odor from either would be a nuisance.

When gasoline vapor becomes an issue is when it is stored on a boat in a tank that is in an area connected to the bilge. On most boats the tanks are located below the floor boards/interior lining and in an area where there is no impediment to the bilge. Since gasoline vapors are denser than air, they will settle down into the bilge which is generally a confined space. This will allow an explosive atmosphere to develop below the floor boards, undetected. Then it could be ignited by a float switch, bilge pump or some other electrical device below the floor boards.

Personally, I have no issue with having a generator with a small tank (under 2 gallons) stored in the boat. I have no experience with this particular model but think it might be a problem with nuisance odors based on a cheap cap. I have friends that store Honda 1000 and 2000 generators on their boats with no issues. Personally, I will store my generator in my cockpit locker that is not connected to the interior of my boat. That is where I store my gasoline tank for my dinghy and my spare gasoline Gerry can.

Just my $0.02.

Jesse
 
Oct 2, 2006
1,517
Jboat J24 commack



I have a 29' boat and a modern quite generator and a old noise maker and a A4 gasoline powered sailboat and have NO FEAR OF GASOLINE



I cant even begin to think were I could keep it in anything but the most perfect weather as it is challenging to protect it at home during rain and NOT Co out the house

I cant see keeping enough gasoline around to run it for any length of time

The quite generator is really not all that quite
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,981
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Thanks, Jesse, for that logical post.

We had a Catalina 22 that we berthed in a marina at Clear Lake, CA, where the temperatures during the day would reach the upper 90s during the summer. We did NOT take our gas can home with us each weekend, nor did we empty it out each weekend trip.

We had a Catalina 25 with a outside covered tank enclosure, but the boat was kept on San Francisco Bay, although maybe twice a year the temps reached the high 90s. I didn't empty that gas can either.

Just made sure the vents were closed.

Hundreds if not thousands of skippers have small generators.

TAKE CARE and RTFM (F is for Funny). Stupid is as stupid does, but someone with a nice boat like the Hunter 240 should have enough sense to be careful.

Hundreds of our C34 skippers (1,800 boats made) and many C36 skippers (2100) and many C30 (6 to 8 thousand!!!) have generators. I don't hear about them blowing up. Ever.

A little perspective, perhaps, in addition to the realistic, and not the overblown, suggestions is all that's necessary.

Hope the gen works for you, if not, you have some good ideas about keeping the FIL happy, too. :)

Good luck.
 
Jan 22, 2008
9
Oday 25 Centerport , NY
Your FIL just gave you the gift that can kill. It's never recommended to use a land genset on board any type of boat. Or for that matter stow it below decks along with a fuel can where there is no form of bilge ventilation. CO fumes emanating from the running genset above decks or gasoline fumes in the bilge are a recipe for disaster, and disasters will indeed happen. Static electricity is enough to set off the bilge fumes and CO in the cabin can gently put you to sleep----forever. Happily use your gift onshore and make coffee on your stove without to Keurig plugged in. You will never find a way to use this genset safely onboard your boat!


My father in law just bought us a small gas powered generator for our small Hunter H240. It's a very nice gift but I am somewhat worried about the safety of using one on a boat this size. I had him on the boat recently and he thought we needed something to power a big fan or small Keurig coffee maker. My two biggest safety concerns are #1 carbon monoxide poisoning and #2 storage below deck. I bought a CO detector to prevent the first problem but I am scared to death of taking something containing gasoline below deck since I have no way to get rid of any fumes. My wife thinks its a great gift and it is but my worries are getting the best of me. Am I just being paranoid or is there some safe way around this. I haven't taken it to the boat yet and am trying to think of a way to work this out safely.
 
Feb 26, 2004
22,981
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
You will never find a way to use this genset safely onboard your boat!
Peter, I understand your concerns for safety and agree wholeheartedly.

However, could you please explain to me how hundreds is not thousands of skippers successfully use Honda 100- and 2000 generators on their boats without being blown to smithereens?
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
it is a testament to the inherent safety of gasoline and a generous mitten full of human caution the more folks have not blown themselves up with gas power on boats. Propane, not so much.
Human caution being the principal topic on this post....... so Phil gets a safety award (but no bonus check).
 

jviss

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Feb 5, 2004
7,089
Tartan 3800 20 Westport, MA
Peter, I understand your concerns for safety and agree wholeheartedly.

However, could you please explain to me how hundreds is not thousands of skippers successfully use Honda 100- and 2000 generators on their boats without being blown to smithereens?
This is starting to look like hockey players shaking their gloves off....

Stu, with all due respect, your anecdotal reasoning on this is a bit short-sighted. Just because you are not aware of boat explosions and fires due to gasoline handling on boats and portable generator use on boats doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Is one supposed to ignore sound boatbuilding practice and Coast Guard, ABYC, and all other safety regulations, recommendations and practices just because "gee, lots of people do it with no problem" kind of reasoning?

Even if I did, I wouldn't publicly argue in favor of others doing it, I think that's just irresponsible.

Check this generator fire:



One eyewitness had this to say: "“There was a bang and a puff of white smoke, and the top of the boat blew off—the whole top of the boat just flew off,” Amagansett resident David Carr, who had been fishing nearby and witnessed the explosion."

Honda is good, but doesn't come with some magic shroud that protects folks from gas handing or other generator issues. In most ways it's like any other generator. (By the way I have a Honda at home and love it).

In addition, Honda generators make pretty bad house battery chargers. Even if you use them to energize our shore power charger, you're sill likely only getting 10 or 20 Amps to your bank, which will take FOREVER to charge a decent house bank.

And please - I really don't care what you need it for, an air-cooled generator on your deck or swim platform is noisy, and objectionable to anchorage neighbors. I think it's utterly obnoxious to engage in this practice with others around. At least your inboard diesel main propulsion engine or inboard generator is properly muffled and virtually undetectable in operation from nearby except for the water exhaust.
 
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