How not to spend Friday evenings

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Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
On Friday May 7, we arrived at our boat around 6:30pm to spend the weekend and attach the dingy to the new davit system. Davits were made by Ocean Marine and were installed in March. This was the first time we were going to mate the two together. While we were learning and playing raising and lowering the dingy a thunderstorm was approaching and fast. So, not knowing any better I raised the dingy into position to wait for the storm to pass. At about 8:15 all HELL broke loose, RAIN drops the size of buckets, pea sized hail and winds that hit 60mph (no guess – wind gauge measured), hitting us from the stern. Of course we were IN the boat tied to the dock with eight lines, springs and all. At about this time watching from inside, the dingy decided it had enough and tried to climb into the cockpit. Out I go into the tempest and try to stabilize the dingy to a point of non-destruction. Wind is blasting the hell out of me with hail and rain, and to ensure I needed to hurry – LIGHTENING and booming thunder . A few hits within a couple of thousand feet. You know the type, see the flash and immediate CRRRACK, OH shit that was close and here I am holding on to steel objects!!! Dumb Shit.... The boat (H356) is heeled over I figure about 15-20 degrees at the dock by the time I get back inside. I was so wet you would have thought I had fallen into the river. To top things off the local sirens start blaring , the only thing going through my mind is TORANDO!! Joan says lets get the hell out here and get up to the marina, I look at her as though she had just be let out of the insane asylum - and ask and go WHERE. You can't walk on the dock or breath out there. I'm staying right here. Found out latter the siren was for the rescue boat to go save another boat taking on water. Sirens and thunderstorms give people the shakes around here. We are about 15 miles south of La Plata, MD that just about got wiped off the map two years ago by a big tornado. The storm lasted about 30 minutes and the only damage was to the stern light that got ripped off by the dingy. Except for the water coming through the companionway doors the boat had NO LEAKS. Jim S/V Java
 
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John Richard

Geez, what an experience

Jim, Can we assume the picture was taken after the squall? If so, your dodger and bimini came through with flying colors. Did the wind come straight toward the stern, or did it get squirilly and circle. I was in a squall and it was circular. John Richard s/v Jack's Place
 
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Fastfwd

Sailboats and lightning

Assuming you are inside the boat during the lightning strike. Is it safe? Do sailboats have some sort of lightning rod to get the disacharge to the water directly?
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Picture is Saturday

During the storm the dingy was all the way up, and yes the wind came straight in the stern. Now that you mention it, the canvas did do fine. Most storms come from the west, I think I'll turn the boat around for the summer.... Mast and most everything is grounded down thru the hull via engine, shaft, keel. There are lots of articles and some research regarding lighting and boats out there on the web. Jim S/V Java
 
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Tom S

Not the dreaded

Fastfwd of canada. Not to be a wise guy but that's one of the most "highly charged" (pun intended ;) ) topics on these sailing lists. (Besides mandatory wearing of PFD's ... LOL ) In a simple answer, Is it safe on a sailboat when there is lightning? Basically yes, very very rarely do people on sailboats get killed by lightning . The mast provides a "sort of" protective cone in the case of a direct hit(your sailboat & electronics on the other hand might get damaged) Open motorboats on the other hand are dangerous in a lightning storm as a person at times is the highest point and in the open and can hit directly. Take a look in the archives and type in "Lightning" and you will get days worth of reading material with many opinion
 
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Glenn Harvey

Wow...

glad you made it through with minimal damage. I thought your story was going to end with the dinghy filling with rainwater and ripping the new davits out of the deck! I wonder if that has ever happened to anyone? Those spring storms on the bay can be really nasty. Like you said it came through real fast. Also, now that you know what the rescue boat siren sounds like, you should find out what the tornado siren sounds like. Hopefully they are different.
 
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Bill O'Donovan

Wow II

I too thought you were going to end with the dingy spilling dozens of gallons into the well and then the cabin, sinking the boat. Instead, you've just written the best testimonial yet to the dryness of the H356 interior. Amazing!
 
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Lightning/Sailboat Protection[read to article end

This article was originally published in the October 15, 1996 issue of Practical Sailor. The author, Stan Honey, is a renowned sailor, navigator and electrical engineer. Marine Grounding Systems ground n. 12. Electricity A. A large conducting body, such as the earth or an electric circuit connected to the earth, used as an arbitrary zero of potential. In a normal house on land, the problem of grounding is simple. It consists of the green grounding wire in the AC wiring system and serves the purpose of preventing shocks or electrocution. The ground connection is usually made by clamping to a metal water pipe or by driving a long copper stake into the ground. On a boat, things are considerably more complicated. In addition to the AC ground, we need a DC ground or return line, a lightning ground, and a RF ground plane for the radio systems. Our first thought might be to simply make the ground connection to a metal thru-hull, propeller shaft or other underwater metal. This underwater metal will be grounded by connection to the seawater will serve as our ?water pipe?. Unfortunately, a connection between any of these systems and underwater metal can, and probably will, give rise to serious electrolytic corrosion problems. This article will discuss the particular requirements of each system, resolve the contradictions between the systems and present a consistent and correct solution for a complete, integrated, marine grounding system. Figure 1. The boats electrical system should be connected to seawater at one point only, via the engine negative terminal or its bus. DC Ground Every light or appliance should be wired with its own DC return wire. Never use the mast, engine, or other metal object as part of the return circuit. The DC load returns of all branch circuits should be tied to the negative bus of the DC distribution panel. In turn, the negative bus of the DC distribution panel should be connected to the engine negative terminal or its bus. The battery negative is also connected to the engine negative terminal or its bus. The key factor here is that the yacht's electrical system is connected to seawater ground at one point only, via the engine negative terminal or its bus. See figure one. AC Ground See Practical Sailor August 15, 1995 for a detailed treatment of the green wire. The best solution is a heavy and expensive isolation transformer. The acceptable solution (for the rest of us) is to install a light and inexpensive Galvanic Isolator in the green wire, between the shorepower cord socket on your boat, and the connection to the boat's AC panel. Then, connect the grounding conductor (green) of the AC panel directly to the engine negative terminal or its bus. Note that this meets the ABYC recommendation. In choosing Galvanic Isolators, make sure that you select one that has a continuous current rating that is at least 135% the current rating on the circuit breaker on your dock box. Certain Galvanic Isolators (e.g. Quicksilver) include large capacitors in parallel with the isolation diodes, which in certain situations theoretically provide better galvanic protection. Unfortunately, these units cost substantially more than conventional Galvanic Isolators. If you feel like spending real money on galvanic isolation, you might as well do it right and buy an isolation transformer. It is also a good idea to use a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter (GFCI) in your AC wiring. GFCI's will occasionally "nuisance trip" due to the humidity surrounding the wiring on boats, but the additional safety that they offer (particularly to nearby swimmers) in disconnecting power in the presence of ground currents is worth the nuisance. If your GFCI starts to nuisance trip, it is probably a very good idea to track down and clean up your damp wiring in any event. Figure 2. Ground fault circuit interrupters (GFCI) should be installed in each AC circuit. A GFCI will disconnect power in the presence of ground currents, helping prevent an electrocution. Lightning Grounds Connect a 4 AWG battery cable from the base of your aluminum mast to the nearest keel bolt from external ballast. If you have internal ballast, you should install a lightning ground plate. One square foot is recommended for use in salt water; fresh water requires much more. Do not rely on a thru-hull or a sintered bronze radio ground (e.g. Dynaplate) for use as a lightning ground. For additional comfort, also run a 6 AWG wire from your keel bolt or ground plate to the upper shroud chainplates, and to your headstay chainplate. Don't bother with the backstay if it is interrupted with antenna insulators. Have each of the cables that are used for lightning ground wires lead as directly as possible to the same keel bolt, with any necessary bends being smooth and gradual. Given that you have grounded your mast solidly to the ocean, your mast will be at exactly the same electric potential as the ocean. There is no chance that you can dissipate the charge between the ocean and the atmosphere, so don't bother with a static dissipater at the masthead. Wire "bottle brush" static dissipaters may be useful to dissipate seagulls, however, but that is beyond the scope of this article. RF Ground Your VHF doesn't need to use the ocean as a counterpoise, so here we are dealing only with the ground needed for your HF/SSB radio. Mount your automatic tuner as close to the backstay as possible, preferably just under the after deck. Run copper ground tape from the tuner to the stern pulpit/lifelines, to the engine, and to a keel bolt. It is good practice to include the HF/SSB radio itself in this network of ground tapes. If the builder of your yacht had the foresight to bond into the hull a length of copper tape or an area of copper mesh, be sure to run a copper ground tape to this as well, and say a blessing for builders such as these. Sintered bronze ground plates (e.g. Dynaplates) can be used as radio grounds in situations where the ballast or engine is unavailable or awkward to connect. If the ballast, engine, and lifelines are available, however, they generally make a high performance ground. Bonding and Electrolytic Corrosion Due to Hot Marinas Do not bond any thru-hulls or other immersed metal that can be electrically isolated. Specifically, keep your metal keel/ballast, your metal rudder shaft, your engine/prop, and all thru-hulls electrically isolated, from each other, and from the engine. It's worth understanding the reason. In an increasing number of marinas, there are substantial DC electric currents running through the water. If your bits of immersed metal are bonded, the electric current will take the lower resistance path offered by your boat in preference to the water near your boat, and the current will flow into one of your bits of metal, through your bonding wires, and then out another bit of metal. The anodic bit of metal or thru-hull that has the misfortune to be on the "out current" side of the current running through your bonding system will also become "out metal" and will disappear, sometimes rapidly. Your zinc is only intended to protect against the modest galvanic potentials and therefore currents that are caused by the dissimilar metals that are immersed and electrically connected together on your own boat. Your zinc is incapable of supplying enough galvanic potential to protect against substantial DC currents that may be flowing in the water. These DC currents in the water will cause electrolytic corrosion to your bonded thru-hulls or metal parts. Zincs and Protection from Galvanic Corrosion Use zincs to protect against the galvanic currents that are set up by dissimilar metals on your boat that are immersed and that are in electric contact with one another. The best example is your bronze propeller on a stainless shaft. The best protection is to put a zinc right on the shaft next to the propeller, or a zinc on the propeller nut. An isolated bronze thru-hull doesn't need protection because it is not in electrical contact with another immersed dissimilar metal. If electrically isolated, high quality marine bronze, is electrochemically stable in seawater; nothing good can come from connecting wires to it. Figure 1. Conductors running from the external keel or ground plate to the mast, stays and to the metal fuel tank will protect against a lighting strike, and there will be no DC connections to the engine or to the electrical system.
 
Mar 21, 2004
2,175
Hunter 356 Cobb Island, MD
Dingy is a Hunter Liberty

And is a self bailer, but I don't think it would have mattered much since the wind had it tipped up in the air. It couldn't hold water on it's side!! Before the storm I had lowered the stern to let water drain out if there had been any. The wind was actually trying to flip the dingy up and over the davits and I was trying to tie it down. An Epic battle of man against nature*pop Another sailboat (type unknown) had about 7 inches of water in the cockpit because the scuppers were full of leaves. They got onboard and cleared them. I just love new things I don't know anything about. Jim S/V Java
 
Mar 20, 2004
1,753
Hunter 356 and 216 Portland, ME
wow! a dry 356!!

fantastic story, Jim! the davits/liberty look great! (hmm, my first mate hates the inflatable!!) :)
 
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Peter J. Brennan

Make it secure

I love to see hard dinghys on davits. So shippy! Inflatables don't make it, they just don't hang right visually. I finally installed davits when I got tired of the towed inflatable either filling with water of going airborne. Be sure you wrap the falls around the dinghy, port fall over and under to starboard davit and starboard over and under to port davit after you get the dinghy all the way two-blocked. Bring the falls up really tight and you won't have any unwelcome motion as the boat heels or rolls. If you are using three stranded falls you will have to retighten them from time to time. It is a bit harrowing if the dinghy gets loose in heavy going.
 
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