Im looking at an oday 25 that needs some work. how much sould I budget for : scrapping and repainting the bottom?.. tuning the rigging?... news sails?? I ve been away from boating for 15 years(kids) and I could use some ballpark figures to help me acheive "the 2nd happiest day of my life" annapolis area thanks
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Don Evans
BOAT =Break Out Another Thousand
Ken, it depends to what level of fit and finish you want to take her. If its just cosmetic, and you can do most of the work yourself, start combing "the catalogues", to get a feel for pricing. A couple of G notes for paint. An Island Girl hull and topsides kit, about 100. The essentials like new sails will set you back about 1750 for main and jib (hanked on). You could seek good used sails, but new would be a treat to you and the boat. If the rigging is sound, and you can tune yourself with a Loss guage...well the cost of a guage. New, used engine? You could be into 1K for a used engine. Sandpaper, and Cetol for the teak, fairly cheap. Replace all running rigging, if in poor shape, about $3-400, or a few lines at a time. Electronics? No less than a depth guage, compass, VHF and a battery and switch, about $700. Life jackets, heaving line, flashlight, whistles, good anchor about $500. Take it in stages. Probably 3K to get her to initial acceptable level. Get the essential safety items, rigging, lifelines, engine and sails first, then next year budget another 500 for something else. You got a good boat to work with. If you plan on keeping her for a while it will be money well spent. Don
Ken, it depends to what level of fit and finish you want to take her. If its just cosmetic, and you can do most of the work yourself, start combing "the catalogues", to get a feel for pricing. A couple of G notes for paint. An Island Girl hull and topsides kit, about 100. The essentials like new sails will set you back about 1750 for main and jib (hanked on). You could seek good used sails, but new would be a treat to you and the boat. If the rigging is sound, and you can tune yourself with a Loss guage...well the cost of a guage. New, used engine? You could be into 1K for a used engine. Sandpaper, and Cetol for the teak, fairly cheap. Replace all running rigging, if in poor shape, about $3-400, or a few lines at a time. Electronics? No less than a depth guage, compass, VHF and a battery and switch, about $700. Life jackets, heaving line, flashlight, whistles, good anchor about $500. Take it in stages. Probably 3K to get her to initial acceptable level. Get the essential safety items, rigging, lifelines, engine and sails first, then next year budget another 500 for something else. You got a good boat to work with. If you plan on keeping her for a while it will be money well spent. Don
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dave
$$$$$ for 25
depends on the hull condition. check everything from life lines to riggging to interior wood. can be from nothing but elbow grease to thousands of dollars so shop the market first as there are sveral available in various conditions..good luck..i just got back also after 12 years and found a great one
depends on the hull condition. check everything from life lines to riggging to interior wood. can be from nothing but elbow grease to thousands of dollars so shop the market first as there are sveral available in various conditions..good luck..i just got back also after 12 years and found a great one
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kevin
Money down the drain?!
Come on Ken, down the drain? That is a little harsh don't you think. What happen to a sailboat being a labor of love? I'm currently restoring a 23 ft Tempest which was made sometime in the mid to late sixties. I know what your about to go through. Don's reply is right on and a very fair estimate of what your added cost could be. The thing that I have experienced is that the more you fix and replace, the more you find to fix and replace on your boat. This is not a bad thing (keep the end in mind and be patient.Try to spread the costs out over time and not do everything at once.) If you can restore certain aspects ie: teak/mahogany,sand down the weathered cleats until they shine you'll save some loot. then next season or so you could replace. Spread it out over a few seasons(again Don's advice) also keep in mind storage during offseason (I'm not sure where you live/season)and costs of hauling boat in/out of water etc. Good luck. I've found that this site is an excellent source of info and the regulars are extremely helpful with any questions you might have. Kevin
Come on Ken, down the drain? That is a little harsh don't you think. What happen to a sailboat being a labor of love? I'm currently restoring a 23 ft Tempest which was made sometime in the mid to late sixties. I know what your about to go through. Don's reply is right on and a very fair estimate of what your added cost could be. The thing that I have experienced is that the more you fix and replace, the more you find to fix and replace on your boat. This is not a bad thing (keep the end in mind and be patient.Try to spread the costs out over time and not do everything at once.) If you can restore certain aspects ie: teak/mahogany,sand down the weathered cleats until they shine you'll save some loot. then next season or so you could replace. Spread it out over a few seasons(again Don's advice) also keep in mind storage during offseason (I'm not sure where you live/season)and costs of hauling boat in/out of water etc. Good luck. I've found that this site is an excellent source of info and the regulars are extremely helpful with any questions you might have. Kevin
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Dave B
done that
You did not indicate the most important item, do you presently own this boat? If not, I would suggest you move on with your search for boat ownership unless the price is so good you can not pass it by. In which case the cost to repair to an acceptable degree plus the purchase price should not exceed the average market value reflected in your area as posted by owners selling boats. As in my case I purchased a 77 oday 25, 9hp outboard, on a roller bed tandem axle trailer, with full compliment of sails, electronics, and misc gear in 1993. This boat was stored in a barn while not in the water. Since the initial purchase I have invested thus: $300 old sails cleaned $400 cushion cover material $400 new vhf radio $200 complete rewire $300 new AGM battery $300 remove old head and pump out system replaced with removable self-contained MSD and spare 5gal tank. $200 replace all water lines and rebuild all pumps. $300 annually for maint items boat wash and wax, bottom paint(woolsey hydra coat),teak finishing etc Now to those creature comforts which make sailing so pleasurable but expensive (some consider luxury) $500 auto helm device (navco) $100 magna grill $1200 furlex roller reefing $950 new main sail 3/4 batten $1100 new 150% genoa $650 recut old main 3/4 batten $325 recut old jibs for furler $175 new bulkhead mount compass $225 new hardware to move all forward lines aft into cockpit $100 nicro day/night ventilation sys $600 on multiple personal safety devices ie: better pfd,s vests with reflective tape, marker lights etc, MOB recovery system, the best emergency siginals you can afford to exceed coast guard requirements, safety harnesses and tethers, jack lines port/star. This should give you a good idea of general boating costs and where the money goes. Keep in mind this does not include the annual fees you must pay to keep the boat at a launch or marina, lifts into the water, sanitary pump out fees, insurance, licenses etc. Nor does this include the wish list you will devevlop over the years for repairs whether required or desired and all the new stuff the guy in the next slip has on his boat that you want on yours. In your search for your dream my only advice is to be double sure to inspect the sails and all standing and running rigging prior to purchase, or at least subject to survey. Hull imperfections are usually very obvious. The imperfection in these other items is less obvious but very expensive to repair(usually replaced). The average oday 25 may have 1000' of running rigging and 500' of standing rigging.
You did not indicate the most important item, do you presently own this boat? If not, I would suggest you move on with your search for boat ownership unless the price is so good you can not pass it by. In which case the cost to repair to an acceptable degree plus the purchase price should not exceed the average market value reflected in your area as posted by owners selling boats. As in my case I purchased a 77 oday 25, 9hp outboard, on a roller bed tandem axle trailer, with full compliment of sails, electronics, and misc gear in 1993. This boat was stored in a barn while not in the water. Since the initial purchase I have invested thus: $300 old sails cleaned $400 cushion cover material $400 new vhf radio $200 complete rewire $300 new AGM battery $300 remove old head and pump out system replaced with removable self-contained MSD and spare 5gal tank. $200 replace all water lines and rebuild all pumps. $300 annually for maint items boat wash and wax, bottom paint(woolsey hydra coat),teak finishing etc Now to those creature comforts which make sailing so pleasurable but expensive (some consider luxury) $500 auto helm device (navco) $100 magna grill $1200 furlex roller reefing $950 new main sail 3/4 batten $1100 new 150% genoa $650 recut old main 3/4 batten $325 recut old jibs for furler $175 new bulkhead mount compass $225 new hardware to move all forward lines aft into cockpit $100 nicro day/night ventilation sys $600 on multiple personal safety devices ie: better pfd,s vests with reflective tape, marker lights etc, MOB recovery system, the best emergency siginals you can afford to exceed coast guard requirements, safety harnesses and tethers, jack lines port/star. This should give you a good idea of general boating costs and where the money goes. Keep in mind this does not include the annual fees you must pay to keep the boat at a launch or marina, lifts into the water, sanitary pump out fees, insurance, licenses etc. Nor does this include the wish list you will devevlop over the years for repairs whether required or desired and all the new stuff the guy in the next slip has on his boat that you want on yours. In your search for your dream my only advice is to be double sure to inspect the sails and all standing and running rigging prior to purchase, or at least subject to survey. Hull imperfections are usually very obvious. The imperfection in these other items is less obvious but very expensive to repair(usually replaced). The average oday 25 may have 1000' of running rigging and 500' of standing rigging.
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Patrick Shannon
Hole in the water...
Ken, You've gotten a bucket-load of responses One thing I can assure you of is that your '25' is the easiest and most user friendly sailboat of its' size!But your heart and wallet need to be as Don said about 2,500 into it.Start there and build yourself a "dream".GRANTED,thats almost half the book value of the boat;however with this one...you'll find the return.Not on resale...Only on personal gratification.Please do give us more specs. on our new fleet member and your supplimentary thoughts on this possible purchase. I Believe You'll find this craft the "smallest hole in the water". all the best to your adventures, paddypilar@aol.com
Ken, You've gotten a bucket-load of responses One thing I can assure you of is that your '25' is the easiest and most user friendly sailboat of its' size!But your heart and wallet need to be as Don said about 2,500 into it.Start there and build yourself a "dream".GRANTED,thats almost half the book value of the boat;however with this one...you'll find the return.Not on resale...Only on personal gratification.Please do give us more specs. on our new fleet member and your supplimentary thoughts on this possible purchase. I Believe You'll find this craft the "smallest hole in the water". all the best to your adventures, paddypilar@aol.com
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Ronald G. Crowe
We are in the same boat
Ken, I don't know if you bought the boat, but my partner and I just bought a 1977 ODay for $3100 that will require a lot of work. But the sails were good, the hull and interior in fair shape, and the rigging seems basically sound. Luckily, my partner had a good Honda 4-cycle 9 hp engine to hang on it in place of the not so reliable Merc it came with. While about everything from the compass to the head needs replacing after 23 years, We are just going to enjoy our boat and sail it and fix it up at our leisure and as our pocketbooks allow. Having earlier built an 18-foot trailersailer (still have it), I'm good enough at woodwork and general mechanics to fix or buy and install what needs to be fixed topside. The first thing we did was anchor in a shallow area, and clean barnacles off--they were mostly clustered around the the keel and and the swing keel board (stuck down) and rudder. We did this by diving with masks and holding our breath as we used short pieces of two by four to break loose the critters. In about two hours we improved it immensely so the swing keel would swing. This hands-on cleaning and inspection also allowed us to check that the bottom, keelboard, and rudder were all in good shape. Of course, we will eventually want to haul it out and repaint the bottom. We jumped, and We aren't sorry, yet. Ron Crowe (rongcro2@juno.com)
Ken, I don't know if you bought the boat, but my partner and I just bought a 1977 ODay for $3100 that will require a lot of work. But the sails were good, the hull and interior in fair shape, and the rigging seems basically sound. Luckily, my partner had a good Honda 4-cycle 9 hp engine to hang on it in place of the not so reliable Merc it came with. While about everything from the compass to the head needs replacing after 23 years, We are just going to enjoy our boat and sail it and fix it up at our leisure and as our pocketbooks allow. Having earlier built an 18-foot trailersailer (still have it), I'm good enough at woodwork and general mechanics to fix or buy and install what needs to be fixed topside. The first thing we did was anchor in a shallow area, and clean barnacles off--they were mostly clustered around the the keel and and the swing keel board (stuck down) and rudder. We did this by diving with masks and holding our breath as we used short pieces of two by four to break loose the critters. In about two hours we improved it immensely so the swing keel would swing. This hands-on cleaning and inspection also allowed us to check that the bottom, keelboard, and rudder were all in good shape. Of course, we will eventually want to haul it out and repaint the bottom. We jumped, and We aren't sorry, yet. Ron Crowe (rongcro2@juno.com)
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