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Steve

I'm in the process of buying a 1979 Paceship 26' for around 20k. The boat is loaded with many extras like custom bimini, hard dodger, gps, autopilot, headsail furling, etc. Second thoughts on if I'm paying too much? It was surveyed and estimated at around 18.5K. So.....
 
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dan

your survey?

if you paid for the survey and it called for 18.5 I sure wouldnt pay any more than that!
 
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Peggie Hall/HeadMistress

Agree...

The survey value is the fair market value of that particular hull, including all the extras and upgrades, in your local area. It's all any insurance company will insure it for. If your offer was "subject to survey," the survey value is now the amount of your offer, now also subject to any corrections the surveyor recommended. The seller has the right to accept it or reject it. He's faced with either letting a "bird in his hand fly away" and hoping the next buyer won't have the boat surveyed, or accepting the survey value. At this time of year he may not be happy, but I suspect he'll take the survey value. But ***be prepared to walk if he doesn't.*** The worst thing any buyer can do is fall in love with THIS boat...there are plenty of boats out there to love. And, chances are VERY good that if you do walk, he'll call you in a couple of weeks to see if you still want it...'cuz he'll have figured out that it'll cost him more to keep it till spring than it will to take $1500 less. Btw...if you're planning to come the boat show this weekend, stop by the Defender booth and say hi. I'll be there signing copies of my book.
 
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Scott Wilson

Maybe it Depends

OK typical lawyer speak., but if you are buying through a broker, my recollection is that the Offer form the broker will "help" you fill out has some limiting language as to what constitutes conditions discovered during the survey that will allow the buyer to walk away. I had to cross out a ton of provisions in the offer form the broker had during my purchase transaction. One provision I know I added was "subject to satisfactory survey . . . as determined soley by Buyer" or something along those lines, such that whether the boat surveyed OK was a subjective determination to be made by me. That being said, I have never heard of a purchase offer conditioned on an expert opinion as to market value. A purchase offer is frequently conditioned on financing which itself is conditioned on market value. Even though a subjective satisfactory survey term in an offer, would allow the buyer to walk if the surveyed value was less than the conditionally agreed price, it is not information that is likely to persuade the seller to lower the price. Market value is the price a willing buyer and a willing seller agree to. As Peggie advises, never fall in love with a boat(before its yours)during the purchase negociations. But it appears that the seller already knows you have, assuming that the market value opinion of the surveyor is more accurate than your offer price. If there is a defective condition found in the survey (you didn't report any), and you haven't fallin in love with that particular hull # ,then you have the power to negociate further on the price. If the survey had no surprises, other than maket value opinion, you will probably have to pay the offered price if you want the boat. One quesiton I have is, what is the language of your purchase/sale agreement as to "subject to survey" and did you part with earnest money that the broker/seller is going to want to keep if the survey, as to physical condition, found no defects not already apparent to you? Boy, I sure can go on . . and on. Scott
 
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J Olson

Its only money

I would make a offer that matched the survay price and see what happens maybe they will jump on it and take less.I allso think that 1500 over market price is not to much to pay If you like the boat and you think you will not have anty problems . It takes alot of time and money to find the right boat. I looked at my boat on the second weekend of boat shoping found out that my offer was more then the market value and backed out of the deal when the seller would not come down in price then I drove up and down the east coast looking at boats and in the end I bought the boat I saw the second week and I payed about 1500 over market . Its only money. I thought I would rather sail on the weekends rather then shop.
 
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