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Feb 18, 2004
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Catalina 36mkII Kincardine - Lake Huron
Scott - some answers for your questions

Anchoring - my recommendation is to do what others are doing - if others are swinging from one anchor then you want to swing with them. In fact, if you come in and anchor with 2 anchors and others aren't you are asking for trouble. With the exception of Covered Portage near Killarney - in the North Channel, I have rarely seen anyone anchor with two anchors. On the other hand anchoring with 1 or 2 anchors from the stern and with the bow tied to shore is quite common in lots of anchorages in the North Channel. Midland to Goderich - Ports indicates that it is 186 nautical miles from Midland to Goderich. You could do that in two days and one night of sailing/motoring if the weather co-operates. Good sized waves against you can slow you down quite a bit. You could otherwise stop off at Tobermory and do it with two very long days. Tobermory is close to the middle of your trip so you could stay there except from late June to mid August it is very busy and you won't get a slip if you get in late - you can't reserve. Personally, if I had to do it in a short time, I would go for two shorter days and one night. Depends on you and your crew. At night you do want to be confident in your sailing skills and knowledge of your boat (it is new to you) as you may have to deal with challenges when you can't see easily. Straying into US Waters is not a problem. If you want to land somewhere it becomes more complicated and there are various requirements and options that you need to be aware of. We used to just call in from even a minor port when we landed - now it is a great deal more complicated in Lake Huron - it is much easier in Lake Ontario and Lake Erie which have OARS on the US side (I forget what the letters stand for, however it is a video link to Customs and border protection). Be aware that there are major shipping lanes on the West side of Lake Huron. VHF range on Lake Huron - if you are talking with the Coast Guard I think 40nm to 50 nm is probably right and may be conservative. Their antennae are high and the signal is very strong and reception sensitivity is good. In Lake Huron the Canadian Coast Guard have antennae at Tobermory, Kincardine and Sarnia which provides reasonable overlap. The Michigan side is well covered as well. From sailboat to sailboat I would probably say 30nm +/- is probably OK although I have never tried to verify this. Range athwartships is affected by heel - ie you are sending your signal into outer space or into the water. If your instructor has the CCG Radio Aids to Marine Navigation for eastern Canada - Page 2-65 indicates coverage which shows that Lake Huron is well covered from a Coast Guard broadcast perspective - and as I said their receivers are sensitive, however if your antenna connections are not good etc then whether they can receive you is more of a concern. Fair winds!
 

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Aug 24, 2005
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Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
two anchors

The only time I saw - and used - a two mooring spot was if I tied my stern/bow to shore and dropped anchor off the opposite end. I will use a stern anchor if I am anticipating a night with light, variable winds where i am concerned a wind shift might put me aground. Beyond that, I would rather swing. If the rest of the fleet is anchored to swing then the last thing you want is to be the guy who does not swing because of your stern anchor.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
thanks to both of you

Thanks again, I was unsure what was the 'norm as to 1 or 2 anchors and the swing. I am trying to research everything about this that I possibly can before hitting the water. The last thing I want to be doing is heading into an anchorage and second guessing myself. All the opinions here definately helps to reinforce and add to my knowledge. I may rethink the Goderich venture for another year. Not only is this boat entirely new to us, but, this is our first boat. I have sailed fairly extensively on other boats, my son has White Sail 3 (?) and missed his Bronze test last year only due to illness. The other 2 ( wife and daughter) have been on sail boats but not our own boat or for extended periods. At this point we are planning a couple of weekend excursions to "test the waters" to see how all on board cope with the whole experience. We've done a lot of camping, and my wife and I have done several week long canoe trips in Killarny and Algonquin not to mention regular car camping, so are quite comfortable in outdoors. However, I am aware that night sailing / motoring is a whole different experience. I was aware of shipping in Huron, but not exactly the lanes. We have been to Goderich area and the harbour for 25 years. One of the "must do" of the week is to watch the ships leave or come into the harbour. Must be the draw of the water and boats for all of us. Thanks for the info on the VHF. It may be a while before we hit the centre of Huron. but it was one of the thousands of questions that have been on my mind for the last month since we bought the boat. Scott
 
Aug 26, 2006
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Hunter H380 Palafox Pier Pensacola
Tobermorey to goedrich

is roughly 100 miles. As far as 2 days, I don't know where you are starting from, it depends on where you live. Tobermorey to Port Elgin is 58 miles. There is no place to stop in between and no lee shelter that I am aware of. The wind is never from the east in that part of Lake Huron. The admiral and I really like the Port Elgin harbor. Prices are reasonable and they will give you a lift up town. All those towns along the Bruce are great. Kincardine, Goedrich, Bayfield. There is a nice harbor every 20 miles south of Port Elgin. In the middle of Huron you will always be able to raise the Coast Guard. Thunder Bay, Detroit. Don't worry about crossing the mid lake border and swinging back. Neither side cares until you make landfall. Imagine what boaters would face on the Detroit and St. Clair river.
 
Sep 20, 2006
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Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
Penetanguishene

which is near Midland, in Severn Sound, in the South-East corner of Georgian Bay. Se the link below I figure it's close to 1 day sail to Tobermory. We've spent many summers in Goderich & Bayfield and enjoy that area. I just was looking at the Google Satelite map at St. Clair river and was thinking that same thing.
 
Aug 26, 2006
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Hunter H380 Palafox Pier Pensacola
Night sailing

is not difficult as long as your in open water. Lake Huron usually settles down at night. I would not try to go around the tip of the Bruce in the dark, but the rest of the trip to Goderich is wide open. Now that you are a boat owner you will find that the sailing is the easy part. Anchoring in a crowded cove and handling the boat in a strange marina is wear you earn the title "Captain".
 
Sep 20, 2006
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Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
It's not the sailing

or motoring at night that concerns me. It's taking a very green crew on an overnighter and having someone awake at the helm. May not be an adventure for this year but there's always next year. Anchoring and docking are the two biggest things that I have been anxious about.
 
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