How much mast rake do you have?
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Give him a call he is nice to talk to.
We like the full battens in the main and the radial cut on the Genoa is suppose to be a little better. We went with the one reef as per his suggestion and Bob Hussey's, but he will put in two if that is what you want. We have thought about a high second reef, but really haven't had the need for it the way we sail.
We also wanted the sacrificial material to match our other canvas and Sailrite drop shipped that to him as what we are using (Ocean Blue) is not common stock like the Pacific Blue is. He used what they sent and sent the left-overs along to us with the sails. He recently did the same for the new "used" Genoa for the Endeavour.
Tell him I said to call. He and his son restore older motorcycles and cars so we have spent time talking about those more than sails
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Sum,
After sailing with full battens, do,you see any advantage?
I get mixed responses when I ask.
Old motorcycle restoration? My Brother restores Velocettes and was in touch frequently with a guy about an hour out of Niagara Falls. Wonder if its the same guy?
Chris
After sailing with full battens, do,you see any advantage?
I get mixed responses when I ask.
Old motorcycle restoration? My Brother restores Velocettes and was in touch frequently with a guy about an hour out of Niagara Falls. Wonder if its the same guy?
Chris
I can't answer the 'advantage' deal as we are not knowledgeable sailors. I like the way the sail looks and how they go into the sail-pack better and of course the boat sails better vs. the old worn-out sails but since we don't also have sails without the full batten I don't have an actual comparison.
If we get a new main for the Endeavour they will be a full batten or Martin said we might want to look at a roller main. CDI makes a roller for right behind the mast. The appeal for us is not performance but ease in getting the sail in or out fully or partially as we get older. There is a ketch setup like that here in the yard but I haven't been able to meet with the owner who isn't here. Then the main would have no battens with that setup. I doubt we would go this route especially since we made the sail-pack for the Endeavour.
I'll bet that is who your brother is talking about,
Sum
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The CDI main fuller I thought rolled vertically, eliminating the use of battens. Do they have a boom version now?
Personally, I'd rather have a boom fuller on a bigger boat. Also, these CDI main jobs, I have heard, are that great for sail shape /airflow.
Jeff
Personally, I'd rather have a boom fuller on a bigger boat. Also, these CDI main jobs, I have heard, are that great for sail shape /airflow.
Jeff
The main sail one has a foil/drum just behind the mast that the sail furls onto....
http://www.sailcdi.com/Mainsailreef.htm
.... I wouldn't want one for a trailer boat as it would really be a pain stepping the mast unless the boat was always in a slip and don't really see the need for it on our boats. I don't see it as a performance gain (I'm sure it isn't), but a convenience gain for us 'old people'. I think Martin said he could get us into one for about $1300 plus the sail which we would be buying anyway. I doubt that we will go this way though if we do get a new main.
On the Endeavour it is a lot harder raising the main (their is a mast winch there if needed) so I could see it being a benefit in that we might use the main more on the boat. The Endeavour is a masthead rig so sails well on just the Genoa and it is a furler,
Sum
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By playing with rake I was able to enhance the performance of my ( 87 Mac 25M). With the boat in the water loaded the way we sail I used a very good protractor the kind that measures angles relative to gravity to set the rake at 1.5 degree. I have also purchased a new main from Somerset just waiting for delivery.
Eric the conditions you state are great, but only apply to your boat as it sits. It would be nice to find a rake angle measurement that all Mac 25 could measure to... When you say you played with the rake, how did you do that and what were the helm effects and the angle readings. That must be a very cool protractor to read a half degree....
Just a thought... The method i had read to use on the hard is to take a carpenter's square and step back from the boat and hold the square up where you can line up one side with the painted-on water line and the other with the base of the mast. The mast should have some angle away from the square, and you at least know that you are seeing it true relative to the water line. There are ways to repeat this and take measurements and such, but the point is that you get a true 90-deg reference to the water line of the boat.
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