how much does a hunter weigh

[jleblanc31]

So Sailboat data says the ballast is 4100 lbs displacement is 9700 lbs is the displacement the the weight or water weight it has to move. I may be getting a 1980 30 footer and if the deal goes through on one of my toys im selling to get the boat I will be building a trailer for it.

 

[Bill Roosa]

Well the weight of the boat and the weight of the water it displaces are the same number. In your case about 5 ton.
Trailering fixed keep boats as a routine is not a very practiced art for a lot of practical reasons. Stuff like mast rigging is not designed to raise and lower quickly or with out a crane, most boat docks will not have the depth to float her till your truck is underwater too.
I certainly would not want to try this as a daysail option as most of the morning and afternoon would be spent getting her into and back out of the water.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

First, you need to be specific which boat to include weight, width and depth of keel. Next, please do not tell me you are converting a power boat trailer as I will stop right here. Do you have any experience building trailers? Bill Roosa also brought up good points. I was a sailboat dealer who designed sailboat trailers for myself and some for specific models as I learned from a good friend who designed sailboat trailers for a living.

You will need a tandem axle trailer with brakes heavy duty of course dealing with a 5 ton boat which will require a strong keel tray, tractor trailer style tires,four uprights each side to support the boat hull and a forward bow support upright as well and so forth.. You will need an extension, not a strap contrary to some would say is safe as you would be at the maximum weight for a strap with no safety factor built in. You will need a crane or something like that to remove the mast every time you transport and need to know how to tie it down with cushioning material. You will need a spare tire or two. You will need to know the ramps which to launch from as most you will not be able to do so. You will need to know the laws of each state regarding the time of day and when if the boat exceeds each state's width laws as you will need permits for each state. The list goes on.

Most who transport large boats also have a dooley with diesel engine and so on. An F150 will not do particularly going over mountains. Those who did on a regualar basis had a professional trailer built by those who know how to.

Am I being tough on you. You bet so. I have seen the after math of many accidents with boat trailers and the failures of those which were home built. How much experience I do have. I use to launch up to 34 footers with mast up with a crane over a bridge safely. This is something where safety is a must when dealing with heavy displacement boats and at 5 tons, that would be in this category.

Now you are beginning to question me. I have the experience and most do not but safety is very important to me and I cringe when I saw your post.

 

[Rick Webb]

Listed Displacement

That is for an empty boat. All the "stuff" you put in a boat adds the weight up quick.

That is going to be one hell of a trailer.

 

[jleblanc31]

Thanks for the concern. I do need a permit to transport the boat but not an escort. I do have a dully to use and we have haled a 10,000 lb+ 5th wheel camper from Louisiana where I live to California a few times. the mast is already on the ground and the boat is on dry land and needs a complete restoration. I have built a few trailers in my day one sailboat trailer and two flat bed trailers to hall bobcats for a friends trucking company. Ive raised a house with a friend of mine when we were 13 His dad wanted to pay a company but I saw dollar signs and said Me and his son could do it . we were rich that summer. and I know his parents slab house weights more than the boat . so I think I have a handle on raising the boat to put it on a trailer . I can build anything if I have the chance . Im a Mechanic by trade and have a degree. so Im not a dumb a$$. Im not being a smart a$$ just giving you a little background. I do like to do a little research before I get into a project . the boat will be going in my back yard for the restoration. so it will stay on dry land till im ready to put it in the water. I only have to move it about 12 miles from where it is to my yard. Might even rent a trailer to get it there than build a trailer around it once its in my yard. Any advice you want to give will be taken greatfully and don't mind when some one is a little rough on me I have thick skin.

 

[Rick Webb]

I Suspected as Much Jleblanc

The initial reaction was if your asking these questions your out of your league to begin with. Glad to hear that is not the case.

You maybe better off hiring a guy to move it. A neighbor did something very similar to you he hired a boat delivery guy who had a hydraulic trailer that could lift the boat right off the ground and set it down wherever he could get to. no need for a crane or anything else. That rig and some boat stands will get you all set.

Another option would be to build a cradle for the boat and lift the whole contraption onto a flat bed rather than a whole trailer that it does not sound like your going to need more than a couple of times.

We all love to be part of these projects vicariously and may be hard on you but it is usually not because the posters are butthole they just don't want to hear about someone getting hurt. Keep us informed of your progress and post pictures.

 

[Meriachee]

If it's only going 12 miles, take plan B and hire a mover. There's enough of them around, they bring their hydraulic rig in, lifer 'er on and away they go. It would be a different story if it was going cross country, and depending on the plan after restoration, a trailer might just be a serious waste of cash. You can move it a lot of times for what the materials cost. We don't have that option up here in the frozen north, and most of us have spent a whack of cash on trailers.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

I was not trying to be hard but the initial request did not include any background and the first thing is safety for all. In addition to being a former sailboat dealer, I too have done other things to include being a pilot and reconstruction investigator for insurance companies. So now you understand my concerns. I will be glad to provide any imput. Contact me via the forum email. Sorry for being hard on you but most do not have the experience sir that you have.

 

[jleblanc31]

The closest mover is 100 miles away and he wanted to charge me 1800 to move it . the closest trailer to rent is 4 hours away and would have to do a two day rental I think it was 500+400 in gas to get there and back twice. I can build a trailer for that and people around here would want to rent my trailer O Im seeing dollar signs again.

 

[Rick Webb]

If Time is Not an Issue

Often you can make deals when a guy happens to be nearby. Talk to some of the dealers, marinas or yacht clubs around may be able to get you a lead on a hauler.

 

[kito]

Excuse my ignorance but can anyone just build a trailer, get it titled and haul a 5 ton oversized load? Will it not need to be inspected before you put people in harms way? You say you can rent it out. I reck'n you are making everything adjustable then? I say go all the way and build yourself a hydraulic trailer then I am an ex machinist and have been working in engineering for 30 years. Building a safe trailer that's roadworthy for $500 is insane. Also am thinking at least a tri-axle trailer too.

 

[jleblanc31]

Kito Yes you can build any trailer . and it dosent get an inspection like you would think. just a visual inspection. I have drawn up a hydraulic setup for the trailer and yes it would go over the $500 mark. I failed to mention I have most of the materials on hand . if someone was to go buy everything I would say right at 1000 for a non hydraulic trailer that's just a bare bones trailer something like the pic.

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

What ever you do, put brakes on. Not trying to preach but I have seen many wrecks over the years without brakes and with nearly 5 tons plus the weight of the trailer it will be around the 6 ton mark or less

 

[JamesG161]

I was going to have a boat moved form Charlestown SC to Biloxi MS. It appeared to be cheaper than sailing it around Florida.

100% of the people (brokers/sailors/engineers etc) I trusted at the time said DON'T trailer it, but if you have to do it, Hire a company who moves Sailboats.

I asked why.

The mast/instruments/wiring/rigging drop etc and then re-install cost, plus you will spend weeks for re-tightening/ re-stowing all on board stuff from over the road vibration/banging.

They said NEVER use a shipper that has NOT shipped boats before.

I hope your tailer and time is for hobby. As to me renting or using your tailer, you should think that one out.

Jim..

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

All valid points for cost and safety but this fellow has built trailers before per his information and has the tools and where with all to do it not to mention the steel. I believe he knows what he is doing and it is for a short haul to and from the house again per his information. I will be glad to assist in information as I designed my trailers to my specs and moved all types of sailboats over the years. I would never transport a wooden hull for a variety of reasons.

 

[woodster]

Excuse my ignorance but can anyone just build a trailer, get it titled and haul a 5 ton oversized load? Will it not need to be inspected before you put people in harms way? You say you can rent it out. I reck'n you are making everything adjustable then? I say go all the way and build yourself a hydraulic trailer then I am an ex machinist and have been working in engineering for 30 years. Building a safe trailer that's roadworthy for $500 is insane. Also am thinking at least a tri-axle trailer too.

three axles is the least i would use for that project...you can buy 2 6000 lbs axles and that will do the job or you can buy 3 3500 lb axles and that will serve you better as you will be spreading the load over a longer foot print ...the 6000 lb axles will have and excise tax on them where the 3500 lb axles will not on the three axle setup you are spreading the load on the frame over 100 inches as opposed to 66 inches on the 2 axle set up ...all this advice is based on you getting a good matched set of axles or you can go with a bogie set up which will entail a lot more enginering on your part ...bogies are a set of wheels mounted on very short axles and there is 2 wheels on each set and it will take 4 bogies to build what you need but it will let you have a lower ground clearance via letting the keel nest between the wheels and not on the top of them thus giving you about 8 to 10 inches less height overall load

oh and you can get dropped axles with a 6 inch drop which will help a lot on the 3500 lb setup

 

[Crazy Dave Condon]

The tanden axle I used was a two axle with large tractor trailer tires but I used torsion axles. Lood that up. I use to trailer up to a 34 foot hunter and launched them. Trailer lasted a very long time until I retired and sold it.

 

[seadaddler]

Here

Once I saw here a guy who trailered a 33' sailboat with his heavy duty pickup truck but don't remember all the details of why but he did it regularly.
I think it was one of those Benn. sailboats with a drop board so maybe was
shallow draft with board up and think the trailer was custom built with 3 axles.
Do a search here on this forum to help out.
Up in NY when winter came many sailboater had them trailered to their back yard to work on and power boaters did it every winter.
Nick