New to sailing (very new).... trying to learn! I posted a question about raising a new jib (roller-furling) I rec. several good tips.... However my system seems to be different. I do not know the make/manufacturer of the roller-furling (O'Day 322 1989 - I think this is org. equipment) The jib does not seem to be supported by a halyard. It looks like the top swivel is locked in place.... is this possible? Do I have to clib the mast to undo the sail?
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Trevor - SailboatOwners.com
Well, spose anything's possible
Hi Dave - It would be unusual for the upper swivel on a jib furler on that size boat (you said O'Day 322) to be fixed, but there's no tellin' what the previous owner might have done. Check the drum (bottom of the sail) to find out what brand furler you have. Then look up and see if you can see a halyard attached to the top of the sail (below the forestay, or cable attached to the top of the mast from the bow of the boat). Look for a coiled line either in the cockpit or at the mast which could be the halyard for the jib in use. If you can't figure it out and no one around can help you, it might mean a trip up the mast to inspect things closely. In any case, a trip up the mast is good experience and will help familiarize you with what exactly you have up there! Let us know what you find out. Best, Trevor
Hi Dave - It would be unusual for the upper swivel on a jib furler on that size boat (you said O'Day 322) to be fixed, but there's no tellin' what the previous owner might have done. Check the drum (bottom of the sail) to find out what brand furler you have. Then look up and see if you can see a halyard attached to the top of the sail (below the forestay, or cable attached to the top of the mast from the bow of the boat). Look for a coiled line either in the cockpit or at the mast which could be the halyard for the jib in use. If you can't figure it out and no one around can help you, it might mean a trip up the mast to inspect things closely. In any case, a trip up the mast is good experience and will help familiarize you with what exactly you have up there! Let us know what you find out. Best, Trevor
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Ed Allen
you may have an early model cdi furler
some of the reefer models are set up to raise the jib on the furler in one track and use a funny looking thing that you dont know what is to bring the halyard back down. the sail has a small pennant with a latch that acutally latches when you pull it up. then you pull the halyard down with a small line attached to the "thing", When you want to drop the sail off the furler you put the thing back in the other track (this thing has an arrow on it. to take down a sail point it down. to put one up you point it up.) you raise the thing up and it releases the sail and it will theoreticly fall down the other track. usually it takes a pull. then you pull the little thing back down with a light line again. I know this sounds stupid and there is a name for the damn thing but for the life of me i cant remember. It was designed as a racing model that would allow sail changes quickly. in my hunble opinion its a pain it the butt. but usually works. there is a shaft at the top ot the furling slot on each side, the shaft has a cam on each side. one to holdt he sail up and one to rotate the shaft as you pull up the "thing". the thing fits into the sail slot mine are metal have apoint on one end and a couple places to tie line. also an up arrow and a down arrow.
some of the reefer models are set up to raise the jib on the furler in one track and use a funny looking thing that you dont know what is to bring the halyard back down. the sail has a small pennant with a latch that acutally latches when you pull it up. then you pull the halyard down with a small line attached to the "thing", When you want to drop the sail off the furler you put the thing back in the other track (this thing has an arrow on it. to take down a sail point it down. to put one up you point it up.) you raise the thing up and it releases the sail and it will theoreticly fall down the other track. usually it takes a pull. then you pull the little thing back down with a light line again. I know this sounds stupid and there is a name for the damn thing but for the life of me i cant remember. It was designed as a racing model that would allow sail changes quickly. in my hunble opinion its a pain it the butt. but usually works. there is a shaft at the top ot the furling slot on each side, the shaft has a cam on each side. one to holdt he sail up and one to rotate the shaft as you pull up the "thing". the thing fits into the sail slot mine are metal have apoint on one end and a couple places to tie line. also an up arrow and a down arrow.
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Peter Moran
Check the swivel for tangling...
I had a similar problem with raising the jib on my sailboat and found the swivel at the top was rapped seveal times with the genoa halyard. I disconnected the lead lines and turned the jib counterclockwise several times to free it. Hope this helps..
I had a similar problem with raising the jib on my sailboat and found the swivel at the top was rapped seveal times with the genoa halyard. I disconnected the lead lines and turned the jib counterclockwise several times to free it. Hope this helps..
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John
My first time
I have an 83 Catalina with an old CDI. It gave me trouble even with speaking to the company several times and having the instruction sheets. Over the winter I found the plastic pulley at the top of the mast was broken. It works okay but I will upgrade in time.
I have an 83 Catalina with an old CDI. It gave me trouble even with speaking to the company several times and having the instruction sheets. Over the winter I found the plastic pulley at the top of the mast was broken. It works okay but I will upgrade in time.
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Brett
Look at the Spin-Tec
The Spin-Tec furler in the Chandlery here latches the sail in the raised position, the halyard is then removed. Maybe this is what you have.
The Spin-Tec furler in the Chandlery here latches the sail in the raised position, the halyard is then removed. Maybe this is what you have.
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Jim LeBlanc
Depends on the system
The other responders have described several systems for the halyard of a roller furling jib system (something has to hold the jib up). In addition to the systems which have already been described, I had a Catalina 30 with a system that had a turning pulley at the top of the rotating assembly. There was a small cable which attached to the head of the sail, went over the pulley then back down in the second groove of the head foil. It took an auxiliary line clipped into the end fixture on the cable to raise and lower the jib in the first groove of the head foil. After raising the jib, the cable was pinned to the bottom of the second groove and the auxiliary line removed, then the halyard tension was put into effect by pulling down on the line which connected the tack of the jib to the furling drum. Hence, there was no apparent halyard (all hidden within the head foil) and the entire assembly of the head foil, "halyard" and jib was rotated by the furling drum and the continuous line wrapped around it. The advantage of this system is that there was no chance of the jib halyard being fouled by the rotating foil as is common with a system which uses a normal halyard and an upper swivel arrangement.
The other responders have described several systems for the halyard of a roller furling jib system (something has to hold the jib up). In addition to the systems which have already been described, I had a Catalina 30 with a system that had a turning pulley at the top of the rotating assembly. There was a small cable which attached to the head of the sail, went over the pulley then back down in the second groove of the head foil. It took an auxiliary line clipped into the end fixture on the cable to raise and lower the jib in the first groove of the head foil. After raising the jib, the cable was pinned to the bottom of the second groove and the auxiliary line removed, then the halyard tension was put into effect by pulling down on the line which connected the tack of the jib to the furling drum. Hence, there was no apparent halyard (all hidden within the head foil) and the entire assembly of the head foil, "halyard" and jib was rotated by the furling drum and the continuous line wrapped around it. The advantage of this system is that there was no chance of the jib halyard being fouled by the rotating foil as is common with a system which uses a normal halyard and an upper swivel arrangement.
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Jeff
89 -322
My 89 322 has a CDI Furling system. The halyard is internal to the aluminum track the sail slides in. An external halyard may not be attached to the system with the sail attached. With the sail unfurled you should see a small plastic piece with a cotter pin or small bolt clipping it to the aluminum track. Attach a line to the plastic piece and remove the pin . This should allow for the sail to come down. The whole track stays in place and spins around the forestay. Good luck , Jeff
My 89 322 has a CDI Furling system. The halyard is internal to the aluminum track the sail slides in. An external halyard may not be attached to the system with the sail attached. With the sail unfurled you should see a small plastic piece with a cotter pin or small bolt clipping it to the aluminum track. Attach a line to the plastic piece and remove the pin . This should allow for the sail to come down. The whole track stays in place and spins around the forestay. Good luck , Jeff
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Dave
Thanks for the help... here is the answer
The system is a Rig-Rite ISOFURL. The halyard is in the sail. "Most Isofurl systems came with a "Halyard Hoist Locking Car", to which the head of the sail was attached. This car is hoisted by a special hook with a long messenger line attached to it. The halyard is attached to the top of the hook NOT to the locking car. When the car is hoisted to the top of the system, it locks in place, and the halyard (with hook still attached) is pulled down with a messenger line. The halyard should never be attached directly to the locking car assembly! The car is 'unlocked' (to bring the sail down), by means of a special trip wire sewn into the luff of the sail. - Be sure to attach the trip wire to the cars' locking lever BEFORE hoisting!! " http://www.rigrite.com/furling/Isofurl/ISOFURL_Main.html Thanks for all the great advice. Dave
The system is a Rig-Rite ISOFURL. The halyard is in the sail. "Most Isofurl systems came with a "Halyard Hoist Locking Car", to which the head of the sail was attached. This car is hoisted by a special hook with a long messenger line attached to it. The halyard is attached to the top of the hook NOT to the locking car. When the car is hoisted to the top of the system, it locks in place, and the halyard (with hook still attached) is pulled down with a messenger line. The halyard should never be attached directly to the locking car assembly! The car is 'unlocked' (to bring the sail down), by means of a special trip wire sewn into the luff of the sail. - Be sure to attach the trip wire to the cars' locking lever BEFORE hoisting!! " http://www.rigrite.com/furling/Isofurl/ISOFURL_Main.html Thanks for all the great advice. Dave
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