Hooka Diving Systems for Boat Maintenance!

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Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Re: cleaning your bottom

To eds928gt, All bottom paint needs to be cleaned at regular intervals. Ablative paints will still allow algae to grow and build up over time. No paints that we are allowed to use will stop algae growth. Why do you say that they cannot be cleaned in the water? I clean mine every week during the season. If I leave my bottom for 2 weeks without a rubdown, it costs me 3/4 of a knot of boat speed which is unacceptable. A wipe down with a sponge takes 1/2 an hour and keeps the boat at top speed.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Re: cleaning your bottom

To eds928gt, All bottom paint needs to be cleaned at regular intervals. Ablative paints will still allow algae to grow and build up over time. No paints that we are allowed to use will stop algae growth. Why do you say that they cannot be cleaned in the water? I clean mine every week during the season. If I leave my bottom for 2 weeks without a rubdown, it costs me 3/4 of a knot of boat speed which is unacceptable. A wipe down with a sponge takes 1/2 an hour and keeps the boat at top speed.
 
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Ed Ruiz

You're removing paint when clean in water.

That's according to several websites on Ablative paints. They all say not to clean or even rub the paint while it's in the water. By cleaning the bottom while in water, you will be taking off algae, but you may also be taking off layers of paint, which only hastens the need for another paint job. If racing or speed is very important, you may want to consider having the bottom cleaned, sanded, then repainted with a HARD paint like Trinidad SR. (BTW, I don't sell it, I just read good reviews about it). ~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
 
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Ed Ruiz

You're removing paint when clean in water.

That's according to several websites on Ablative paints. They all say not to clean or even rub the paint while it's in the water. By cleaning the bottom while in water, you will be taking off algae, but you may also be taking off layers of paint, which only hastens the need for another paint job. If racing or speed is very important, you may want to consider having the bottom cleaned, sanded, then repainted with a HARD paint like Trinidad SR. (BTW, I don't sell it, I just read good reviews about it). ~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Re: cleaning your bottom

They don't ALL say not to clean. Only those that make their paint so soft that by cleaning you can barely get through a season without wiping it all off if you do clean. Just think for a minute, if algae builds up on the outer surface of the paint, ask yourself 'what protection does the paint provide?' By cleaning regularly, you expose fresh paint to the little nasties that grow in the water. The problem is that most of these paints wipe off far too easily. People who pay $150, $160, or $170 per gallon are not going to be happy. So the manufacturer tells you NOT to clean. Sure you can haul your boat at the end of season and have it power washed and it will be clean. But what about all season long while it's in the water?? ...you are paying the price of boat speed, WHY? I use an ablative paint that is hard, effective, easy to clean, can be burnished and requires no special clothing or a respirator to apply.....BUT it's not from one of those giant paint manufacturers that spend millions on advertising to sell you their product.
 

Alan

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Jun 2, 2004
4,174
Hunter 35.5 LI, NY
Re: cleaning your bottom

They don't ALL say not to clean. Only those that make their paint so soft that by cleaning you can barely get through a season without wiping it all off if you do clean. Just think for a minute, if algae builds up on the outer surface of the paint, ask yourself 'what protection does the paint provide?' By cleaning regularly, you expose fresh paint to the little nasties that grow in the water. The problem is that most of these paints wipe off far too easily. People who pay $150, $160, or $170 per gallon are not going to be happy. So the manufacturer tells you NOT to clean. Sure you can haul your boat at the end of season and have it power washed and it will be clean. But what about all season long while it's in the water?? ...you are paying the price of boat speed, WHY? I use an ablative paint that is hard, effective, easy to clean, can be burnished and requires no special clothing or a respirator to apply.....BUT it's not from one of those giant paint manufacturers that spend millions on advertising to sell you their product.
 
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Ed

Alan: What paint do you use?

BTW (according to the same websites previously mentioned) both algae and some paint are supposed to wash off as the boat moves through the water. If the boat just sits in its slip, there will be no washing action, which will lead to heavier algae build-up. Now that my boat is on the hard, I will need to have the bottom repainted. I'm just now trying to figure out what paint I should use. Any advice? ~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
 
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Ed

Alan: What paint do you use?

BTW (according to the same websites previously mentioned) both algae and some paint are supposed to wash off as the boat moves through the water. If the boat just sits in its slip, there will be no washing action, which will lead to heavier algae build-up. Now that my boat is on the hard, I will need to have the bottom repainted. I'm just now trying to figure out what paint I should use. Any advice? ~ Happy sails to you ~ _/) ~
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,012
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Hold Tights & Snorkel Gear

The trick to using these is, obviously not to tie them to your jeans, but make a short line to your wrist with a slip knot. I've keel-hauled our C25 and did the bottom as suggested above with 4 foot tides, but have a diver do our C34 every three months. I've also done in-between cleanings myself with snorkel gear, which no one else has mentioned. The deepest part of the keel isn't done, but we get most of the bottom. A long handled brush would help, but have never gone that far. Stu
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,012
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Hold Tights

The trick to using these is, obviously not to tie them to your jeans, but make a short line to your wrist with a slip knot. I've keel-hauled our C25 and did the bottom as suggested above with 4 foot tides, but have a diver do our C34 every three months. I've also done in-between cleanings myself with snorkel gear, which no one else has mentioned. The deepest part of the keel isn't done, but we get most of the bottom. A long handled brush would help, but have never gone that far. Stu
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Stu!!!!?

You Keel hauled your C25 to clean it!!! That must have been incredibly PAINFUL! How long were you in the hospital?! As your body was dragged from one side of the boat to the other, were you able to hold your breath? And who did the pulling, masochistic/sadistic friends? (sorry John) What's that? Oh, you meant 'careened' your boat. Never mind. :)
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Stu!!!!?

You Keel hauled your C25 to clean it!!! That must have been incredibly PAINFUL! How long were you in the hospital?! As your body was dragged from one side of the boat to the other, were you able to hold your breath? And who did the pulling, masochistic/sadistic friends? (sorry John) What's that? Oh, you meant 'careened' your boat. Never mind. :)
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,012
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Many Thanks

Fred, for doing a spell check!!! *o Yes, you're right, careened is the proper term. There were a few nasties on the bottom that made me feel like I had been keel hauled, but it sure was a nice inexpensive way to clean the bottom. I picked a soft spot on a river, anchored bow and stern, and sank into the mud with the fin keel, which was deep enough in the mud to hold the boat upright. The ladder, which usually reached the water line, was a few feet above the dinghy when I started. Amazing dirty work, though. A fisherman came by (this was at dawn) and said, "Hey, fella, the deeper water's way over there!" I said I'd planned to do this. He looked at me like I was from Mars and drove off at high speed, leaving me to hold onto everything to avoid being ditched by his wake. Just another lovely day on the water, messing around in boats. Happy New Year, Stu
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,012
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Many Thanks

Fred, for doing a spell check!!! *o Yes, you're right, careened is the proper term. There were a few nasties on the bottom that made me feel like I had been keel hauled, but it sure was a nice inexpensive way to clean the bottom. I picked a soft spot on a river, anchored bow and stern, and sank into the mud with the fin keel, which was deep enough in the mud to hold the boat upright. The ladder, which usually reached the water line, was a few feet above the dinghy when I started. Amazing dirty work, though. A fisherman came by (this was at dawn) and said, "Hey, fella, the deeper water's way over there!" I said I'd planned to do this. He looked at me like I was from Mars and drove off at high speed, leaving me to hold onto everything to avoid being ditched by his wake. Just another lovely day on the water, messing around in boats. Happy New Year, Stu
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
NO, Thanks to you!

It's an ego booster to hear that from the likes of you. Happy New Year to you too. Now Stu, can we have a little chat? That whole episode you had in the mud,,,? Well, there's this stuff called money,
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
NO, Thanks to you!

It's an ego booster to hear that from the likes of you. Happy New Year to you too. Now Stu, can we have a little chat? That whole episode you had in the mud,,,? Well, there's this stuff called money,
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,012
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Ah, but that was Years ago

Fred, I think it was maybe 1993 or 94. I was on the way back from the California Delta, and up the Napa River. Thought I'd give it a try, and it worked. Now, I have a bigger boat, less of that, whaddya call it?, money, but have Aquavite hauled out every few years for paint and have the bottom cleaned by my buddy Bruce the Diver every 3 months (whether it needs it or not, sometimes we use the boat enough that it's fine). *! Our job and motto has always been to DISPROVE the theory that the amount of time a boat get used is inversely proportionate to its length. We've succeeded, and it looks like you have, too. *5 All the best,and we all appreciate your contributions to this forum. Keep up the good work. Stu
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,012
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Ah, but that was Years ago

Fred, I think it was maybe 1993 or 94. I was on the way back from the California Delta, and up the Napa River. Thought I'd give it a try, and it worked. Now, I have a bigger boat, less of that, whaddya call it?, money, but have Aquavite hauled out every few years for paint and have the bottom cleaned by my buddy Bruce the Diver every 3 months (whether it needs it or not, sometimes we use the boat enough that it's fine). *! Our job and motto has always been to DISPROVE the theory that the amount of time a boat get used is inversely proportionate to its length. We've succeeded, and it looks like you have, too. *5 All the best,and we all appreciate your contributions to this forum. Keep up the good work. Stu
 
Dec 24, 2003
233
- - Va. Beach, Va
Jon

See 7/20/03 archive posting "Diving Without Tanks - Surfacedive/Supersnorkel" .. It discusses your question in depth (no pun intended). Buck
 
Jun 7, 2004
28
- - N/A
Doom and Gloom, and how I did it!

Wow, that thread was full of doom and gloom.(See link for aforementioned thread) In my humble opinion, it is not that dangerous to shallow dive on even an homemade hookah. I am sure that my SCUBA training has helped me to be safer with a hookah, but many people I know hookah dive their bottoms all the time without certification. That thread, though, does make some good points. 1) Depth. Dive charts do not even give a recommended bottom time for 10' (as deep as a hull cleaner would ever need to go) so you could spend several hours at hull depth with little threat of 'the bends'. A quick trip to the bottom to check on an anchor would be OK too, just don't spend much time at any greater depth without knowing and understanding a dive chart. 2) Clean air. Use an oil free compressor and have good filtration, also don't use a gauge that may have oil in it. One point I often see overlooked is the hose that you use. Regular air hose can poison you by outgassing (i.e. new car smell is actually toxic), food grade hose is the stuff to use. I'd use an electric compressor far from any sources of exhaust to make sure it is sending clean air to you. 3) Exhale while ascending. It is not necessarily common sense and was thus pounded into us in our intro SCUBA classes. Air expands as you ascend and if you are holding your breath it could damage your lungs. 4) Dive in a safe environment. Always have a direct escape to the surface in case your homemade (or commercial) hookah screws up. Do not dive under obstacles and always stay clear of the hose. Easier said than done, but with care and patience you can keep the hose away from you. That being said, here's how I made one. I bought a 12 volt Thomas Industries air compressor on eBay, used a couple of filters from Home Depot, had a hose made by a local hose supply shop (they do it all the time and have the properly threaded fittings for the dive attachments), found a working second stage regulator (the mouth part) at a garage sale, and screwed them all together. The output of the compressor was set to 100psi, roughly in the range of a first stage dive regulator. (I believe that the commercial hookahs run 40-60psi and must use special second stage regulators with different internal springs.) My total cost was about $150. It worked great for dozens of cleanings and I even did a bit of exploration by mounting it in my kayak, but eventually my little compressor's motor died. Now that I have a fill card at my local dive shop, I just screw my hose (adaptor needed) to my first stage regulator and use an air tank in the cockpit. Disclaimer: Getting certified in SCUBA will make your hookah experience safer and you will feel more comfortable with the equipment and with your actions underwater. Commercial rigs, though very expensive, might be more reliable than cobbled together rigs out of used parts. Please don't sue me if you do something stupid...
 
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