holding tank system on Catalina 30

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abaron

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Aug 8, 2011
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Catalina catalina30 S.F., CA
I crew on my brother's new (old) Catalina 30. Circa late 80's. While he is replacing all standing rigging, I'm trying to help figure out the marine head. As a dinghy sailor, I have limited experience with such. What is the procedure for pump out of the holding tank? Is there a vent or valve in the plumbing that needs to be opened or closed? The boat was left unattended for a few years, and the previous owner is unavailable for consultation. Any tips would be a help.
I'm confident this is not rocket science.
Thanks
A.B.
 
Nov 2, 2010
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Precision 28 Ashland, Oregon
Not rocket science. Not sure of the exact configuration of the the Catalina 30, but in most cases there is a tank, a vent and a deck connection. The vent is usually always open (unless it is clogged) so there is usually no need to open it during pump out. The deck connection will usually be a screw cap marked "waste". In order to empty the holding tank you will need to screw a connector to the waste discharge opening, then pump. It's also a good idea to flush some water through the system and pump again. In our area we have no real pump out station but use a portable hand pump (Todd Waste Caddy) to do the smelly job... In your area there ought to be a number of marinas with electric pump out stations. Hope that helps
 
Dec 2, 1997
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Peter gave you pretty good advice...

The question now is, how old is the toilet and what condition is it in? And how to maintain the system...it ain't like the one at home. That one doesn't have any moving parts TO maintain...plus, it's ONLY a toilet. On a boat, it's a complete system, all of which has to be maintained. And anything you do any part of that system impacts the whole system.

So you and/or your brother might want to spend some time reading the discussions in this forum. You may find the link in my signature below useful too...'cuz it goes to a comprehensive "marine toilets and holding tanks 101" guide that should help you prevent problems instead of fix 'em.

And I'm here to answer any questions that aren't answered in one of those places.
 

Yoda

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Oct 20, 2006
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Catalina 30 C30 - Lewisville, TX
I highly recommend your brother should buy Peggie's book, it will save him a lot of headaches (and bad odors) in the future.....
 

abaron

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Aug 8, 2011
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Catalina catalina30 S.F., CA
head to Catalina

Peter,
Thanks for the rundown on pump out. The boat is back in the water with new through hulls, standing rigging and the steering system gone over. I know what book to get my bro for his birthday next week. This is all good. I like this forum.
Not rocket science. Not sure of the exact configuration of the the Catalina 30, but in most cases there is a tank, a vent and a deck connection. The vent is usually always open (unless it is clogged) so there is usually no need to open it during pump out. The deck connection will usually be a screw cap marked "waste". In order to empty the holding tank you will need to screw a connector to the waste discharge opening, then pump. It's also a good idea to flush some water through the system and pump again. In our area we have no real pump out station but use a portable hand pump (Todd Waste Caddy) to do the smelly job... In your area there ought to be a number of marinas with electric pump out stations. Hope that helps
 
Apr 8, 2010
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Ericson Yachts Olson 34 28400 Portland OR
A.B.
One thing that will help others help you are pictures. While not always "worth a thousand words"... some close-ups of the system on the boat in question will help a lot.

Often, on a boat like the Cat-30, with a long production run, there will be quite a few changes in systems layout over the years. Some other owners will have the identical layout and some will not.

Regards,

LB
 

Shell

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Sep 26, 2007
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Catalina 30 standard JC/NYC
I have a 1986 Catalina 30. It is a simple layout.
From the toilet a large waste hose goes to the holding tank under the port salon seat.
A small vent hose leads to the stantion that is outside the heads port window.
The pump out opening is located near the fuel cap.
Your boat may have a macerator with a thru hole to dump the waste in the water. (don't ever do it). The toilet itself may be of different types and manufacturers. I don't understand why but a rebuild kits for many of them cost almost as much as a new toilet. Sometimes replacing the toilet is a lot less work than rebuilding one.
 
Dec 2, 1997
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It depends, Stu...

If you have no choice but to hold toilet waste AND do not have immediate access to open ocean beyond the 3 mile limit to dump the tank, it makes sense to have no y-valve anywhere, 'cuz pumpout is the the only legal way the tank can be emptied. That would be the case in LIS, the Chesapeake Bay, SF Bay, Puget Sound, all the San Juan Islands except for the Strait, Galveston Bay, the Great Lakes and all inland lakes and rivers.

If you do have immediate access to open ocean outside the 3 mile limit, where to put the y-valve depends on whether you spend most of your time in close in coastal waters and only go outside the 3 mile limit to dump the tank, or whether you'e a "blue water" cruiser. If you're a coastal sailor, put it in the tank discharge line--to provide a choice of pumping out or dumping out. If you're a blue water cruiser, put it in the TOILET discharge line to provide a choice of flushing into the tank or directly overboard at sea.

Shell, you just answered your own question:

I don't understand why but a rebuild kits for many of them cost almost as much as a new toilet. Sometimes replacing the toilet is a lot less work than rebuilding one.

It's because there's more profit in toilets and toilet pumps than in repair parts. Cheap toilets also don't last very long, so they sell more of 'em.

And btw...you'd find it a lot easier to maintain your tank and also to prevent odor if you replace the too-small vent line with a 1" line (not hard to do ) and get it out the stanchion and into a nice open thru-hull that'll allow some air exchange and allow you to backflush it every time you wash the boat to prevent it from ever becoming blocked. Catalina is the only builder who vents waste tanks into stanchions...and even they've finally recognized that, while that may be ok for water and fuel, it's a horrible idea for holding tanks and started venting out thru-hulls instead.
 
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