High winds in a Hunter 36

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Apr 4, 2005
23
Hunter 36 Lake Lavon, Texas
I was out this weekend in 20-25kt wind and was surprised at how much I had to reef the sails to keep from being overpowered and applying excessive rudder. I have only had this boat a few months and I am new to roller furlings. I reefed the Jib and the main (both roller) about 1/2 to 2/3 in while my friends were out sailng with full sails in an Islander 36, Cal 20, etc. With my Olson 25, I would be reefing my mainsail to the first reefing point and that would be it. Am I doing something wrong or is the Hunter 36 not very good at the higher wind ranges?
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,201
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Doesn't Sound Right

You should be able to do that with (the equivalent of) a single main reef and 100% jib. The next step would be to roll the jib up, then go to the double. How do the sails look? The Vision series came to their own in upper wind ranges so it may be simple familiarity. RD
 
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Franklin

And how was your speed?

If your reaching top speed with less sail, that's a good thing. They say heeling causes weather helm but it seems to me that MOST of the helm I get on my 376 hunter is due to my sails being out of balance.
 
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Gary

No Olson

I hear ya! My new to me H320 is giving me the same kind of questions.. I am coming from an Olson 30 and it sure behaves differently. The main barely goes out before it hits the spreaders, guess you just have to reef it instead. Gary
 
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Bill O'Donovan

You done right

You obviously know well enough to reef early and often to avoid heavy rudder. While the others may have been under full sail, you have no way of knowing if they were headed too close to the wind and flapping, or fighting the rudder with all the strength they have. Continue to experiment and you'll find the right mix of main and jib. I was in 20-25 last weekend in the York River in Virginia, and had to go to a second reef on the main and no jib. Wind happens, and the trick is to exploit it.
 
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John

Heeling

I have a 2002 - 356 with in mast roller furling and I reef early. I do not agree the boat heels excessively. With the sails properly reefed I can maintain speed, 6.0 - 6.5+ knots and still maintain a 15 - 20 degree heel in 25 to 30 knot winds Some people think reefing is a bad thing. It isn't, but it is the prudent thing to do.
 

Rick D

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Jun 14, 2008
7,201
Hunter Legend 40.5 Shoreline Marina Long Beach CA
Oops, Mike, I Misspoke

I thought you were referring to a Vision 36 (free-standing rig). I have not sailed on a 36 or 356, and so wouldn't know what I'm talking about (and might not if I had). Sorry for the bum reply. Rick D.
 
Jun 2, 2004
425
- - Sandusky Harbor Marina, Lake Erie
Second reef over 20 knots sounds right to me

We would have a second reef in our more conservative '77 h27 at those wind speeds. The B&R rigs on the new Hunters are driven by their big mains, so it makes sense that they will need significant and early reefing. I would certainly carry some jib to balance the rig, though. And if I was going to be out in winds over 25 knots, I would have a third reef put in my main. In my experience, the sea state, and course relative to the seas has a big effect on speed in those conditions. I would certainly crack off, and avoid taking the waves over the bow. David Lady Lillie
 
Mar 20, 2004
1,753
Hunter 356 and 216 Portland, ME
356 in heavy winds

John has it right! the 356/36 carries a lot of sail in the big main, and you need to reef early and often- as the wind increases, flatten the main and then reef to keep your angle of heel in the 10-20 degree range. the flip side is that in light air you'll have plenty of power. we start reefing our 356 when the wind exceeds 12kts without any loss of speed-keeping the boat level and driving is most important
 
Jun 1, 2004
29
- - Oriental
Heavy weather

In my 380, depending on point of sail, I reef the main, sheet it in tight, move the jib tracks all the way forward and ease out on the jib sheets so some of the air spills out toward the top of the jib. With the B&R rig being a fracitional it does not carry too much load at the top of the mast from the jib, and I can sail with one hand on the helm heeled between 20-25 degrees up to around 25kns. After that, I again reduce the main keeping the jib as is. The key, in my opinion, with weather helm in balance. If it gets worse than 35, I roll in all but 10% of main and just enough jib to keep the bow down, pray, and have the engine ready to go if I need to spill all of it. BTW - I do not go looking for a fight with Mother Nature, but I think you need to be prepared if it hits you while underway. Pick a couple of seasoned sailors who you would consider a mentor and go out sometimes when it is blowing a stink to test and practice. The only way you will know.. Have fun with it and Good luck...
 
Jun 5, 1997
659
Coleman scanoe Irwin (ID)
Furling sails

[* There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch] This thread has nagged at my (sub)conscience for a few days. Although I don't disagree with most of the comments I also feel that the original poster has not been given a straight answer to his question yet. After all, he has sailed an Olson 25 and presumably knows quite well that he needs to depower his sails by flattening and/or reefing when the wind pipes up. The real question is: why does the Hunter 36 appear to react differently. Is this an unusually tender design or is something else going on? I wholeheartedly agree with Chuck's advice to try and FLATTEN the main first. In my experience, many sailors underestimate the effectiveness of that simple procedure. Basically, all you do is tighten the main halyard and the outhaul. On large mains with lots of luff-slide friction it may be helpful to tension the luff by pulling DOWN (i.e using a Cunningham) rather than by pulling UP only (i.e. using the main halyard). The 15-year old, rather baggy mainsail on our Hunter Legend 43 actually handles 20 knots of wind better when simply well-flattened plus twisted than after pulling in the first reef. Why? Because the foot of the reefed main cannot be stretched as effectively as the foot of the full main. Thus, we handle 16-20 knots by flattening and twisting and go straight to second reef if the wind keeps increasing further. Due to the full battens and the fact that the two most baggy slabs of the main are now tucked away, flattening the double-reefed main produces a nearly perfectly shaped blade which performs well into the 30 knot range. After that we pull in the 3rd reef, if necessary. Now look at the same situation with an in-mast furling main. If such a main is no longer brandnew and starts to become a little baggy, especially without the support of a full corset of battens, how much flattening can be done by tensioning the outhaul and main halyard (presuming you even would WANT to put that kind of strain on your expensive mechanism)?? So, with an in-mast furling main one will just have to shorten sail a bit earlier and a bit further than if one can flatten the main more effectively. The story for the jib is pretty much the same: flattening and twisting should be the first line of defense; NOT reefing. Especially not reefing by furling unless you have a special luff-patch or foil-rotation trick up your sleeve, as the resulting loss of shape may leave you floundering, especially when trying to point high. Even with special furling tricks, however, how is one going to flatten the jib by tensioning the luff or the foot?? The luff of a furled jib simply cannot be tensioned at all, whereas watching the foot of a furled jib being strongly tensioned for more than a few minutes makes most sailors cringe. On Rivendel II we rarely ever reef the jib by furling (and then only for a few minutes). Instead we roll it up fairly early and switch to the staysail (flown from a separate inner stay with its own furling mechanism). Flying Dutchman PS IMHO, moving the jib sheet car forward and easing the sheet, as described by Jim, is not the way to spill the wind. Instead you want to stretch the foot by moving the car AFT. Just make a drawing of the diferences in relative foot and leech tensions when the direction of sheet pull on the clew is oriented more downward, as opposed to when it is oriented more aft....
 
Apr 12, 2005
263
Hunter 36 Cobb Island
Related question to roller furling main

If you have the main reefed, how does the furling work? Do you have to remove the reef to be able to furl the main?
 
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Franklin

Furling Main

If you have a furling main, no need to reef, just furl it in. Does the same thing except if you have telltails on the luff, they don't show anymore. My main doesn't have any so that's not an issue. I'm considering putting in many so when I furl my main a little, I will still have a luff telltails, but for now I'm just enjoying the wonderful weather down here and having fun. I've been averaging 6 SOG so I'm happy for now. From what I understand, furling the jib is different. My guess is, when you furl the jib a little, it creates a thick roll that the wind has to get around before it gets to the sail and that causes problems. For me, that's what I do now though because I don't have a Staysail rig and I need to research it a little before I think about putting one on. So I furl the jib too to get the correct balance without too much heel on windy days.
 
Jun 2, 2004
6
- - Portland, Oregon
Check your rig tuning

Don't forget that a properly tuned rig will not need to be reefed as soon. Our 356 was not tuned correctly when it was commissioned. The B&R rigs really need someone who understands them to tune them.
 
Aug 11, 2006
1,446
Hunter H260 Traverse City
Right on,

Franklin. I have always felt the same. My H23 sails better with reefed main and shortened headsail!
 
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Jim

Fractional/Masthead

Good article, "Henk". Just a little rule of thumb, "Fractional rigs, reduce main sail first" Mast head rigs, "reduce headsail first" I realize the latter isn't as effective with a roller headsail but, it is the way to go if possible. With the newer boats carrying big mains with fractional rigs, it really is necessary to reduce the main first. I have a mast head rig and wish my priority was to tuck a couple of reefs in the main first.
 
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