Hi output alternators

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Jan 2, 2005
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Hunter 35.5 Legend Lake Travis-Austin,TX
Asking if anyone has real world experience with the alternators distributed by The Battery Shack in Marathon, FL? They advertise 100amp output with a "very capable internal regulator" that intimates you could get away with not having to use an external "smart" regulator. Any satisfied (or "un") customers out there? This would go on a 3GM30 Yanmar in a 35.5 Legend.
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
You might check if,,,,

they sell Yanmar-mount units. Yanmars are unique, damnit. As far as the company, I only know that they've been around for several years now. But it's pretty hard to mess up an alternator business. :)
 
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Rick Sylvester

I prefer external regulators

for the ability to easily jumper past them in case they fail. Also, I'd also strongly recommend that whatever regulator you go with (internal or external) that it be a 3 stage type. Just as you'd never leave your battery bank unattended on a single stage automotive type charger you shouldn't do it with the alternator regulator. Fred's right, the Yanmar 'foot' is unique.
 
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Marc

Have one and like it...

Purchased one as a back up before moving the boat from Texas to Fl. I now have it installed (Volvo 28HP) and happy with it. Keeping the volvo as a spare. An electrical engineer friend of mine installed one after "interviewing" the owner over the phone before buying his. He specifically asked about the internal regulator and was fine with the response. I think it is a good product for the price. MArc
 
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Marc

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It's been installed now for two years w/ no problems. Marc
 
Jul 1, 1998
3,062
Hunter Legend 35 Poulsbo/Semiahmoo WA
Electronics Stuff Like to Run Cool

Alternators generate a lot of heat and they need to be constructed in a robust manner for reliability. Standardly they have fans on the pully to aid in cooling. Additionally, electroics stuff like to run cool also for good reliability. Even the regulator generates heat - that's why the Balmar ARS regulator has cooling fins. Ideally the regulator should be placed outside the engine room where it is cooler. Avoiding heat is is one reason I'd think it'd be a good idea to have the regulator outboard of the alternator and not inside. At least that way there would be only one thing, the alternator, generating heat and not two things. Having electronics inside the alternator not only adds to heat but must also impeed cooling. I just got back from the Seattle boat show and after talking to a number of experts at the booths about their products (generators, alternators, watermakers, inverters, etc.) there were many of them who said their products are more reliable if they can operate in a cooler environment and alternators was one of those. Hopefully these are some more thoughts to ponder.
 
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Daryl

Battery Shack

I got an alternator there for my h34 which had a Westerbeke 21 (Mitsibushi block) It ended up this model had less output than their standard model due to case size restrictions. Then it arrrived and didn't exactly fit. Bolts were different sizes and I needed bushings and spacers to make it fit. I wasn't impressed, told them so and they eagarly returned my money when they got the unit back
 
Dec 2, 2003
4,245
- - Seabeck WA
Speaking of heat!

I have a standard size, GM case, Yanmar alternator. See the box in the picture? It holds a large frame rectifier (no soldered diodes) an a 12 cooling bilge vent fan. Next to the box is a 3 stage Balmar regulator. This system evolved because of heat. This is photo #53 on my web site. Other shots of the various battery charging system are nearby. Might help. Good luck. Oh, the text under the photo on my site explains the setup. P.S. Well, my uploads are still not working. Can anybody see the photo?
 
Jul 11, 2004
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Macgregor 25 Saint Cloud Florida, City Marina
Altenators are a labor of love ....

What really facinated me and inspired me on the subject of altenators is the link to a website below. It is there, on this website that educated me on the splendid and versatile GM (Delco) altenator. It is an all-around marvel when it comes to intelligent and reliable output power. Basically programmed to output a solid 14 volt charge at 70 amps (depending on the model)at a low RPM makes this altenator suitable for low RPM engines such as diesel types. Here is my story: My Ford F150 has had an engine swap done on it. The previous owner was a genious except for a few minor things. He kept some things Ford when he shouldn't have. The engine he chose to install in this truck was a 353 Detroit Diesel. And in doing so, it was necessary to install two 12 volt batteries in parallel so to provide the cranking power to spin this engine up and get it started. Doublely important was the cranking speed because this is a 2 stroke engine and requires a good spin to fire it off. Now, in order to crank this motor and then recover the losses, plus run the headlights was simply a 'penny dreadful' in the sense of the word. Headlights told the tale; as they varied brightness with the rpm of the engine. Moreover; many a time the electrical system would pulse and make the altenator cut off completely. This is when I decided it was time to replace the altenator with another Ford type like the one already in service. Mistake. Cop actually pulled me over one morning (before daybreak) wanting to know why I was flashing my bright lights on and off! So with the idea of keeping it simple, I set off to learn as much as I could about altenators. Found that the Delco/GM altenator is about medium size (frame) and in most cases can be used to replace difficult applications or expensive ones like my wife's altenator in her 1995 Jaguar Vanden Plaas. In my Ford Truck, I was swapping a standard Ford Altenator with a Delco which was physically smaller by just a fraction of an inch. By loosening the top slotted bracket, the size difference was immediately solved! The pivot bolt on the Delco was smaller and had to be 'hogged'-out to accomodate a 7/16ths bolt. In addition to that I had to make a spacer to make up for the shorter pivot housing dimension. Once that was all done, the belt was added and alignment was luckily right on centerline, otherwise, washers may have had to be used. I purchased a Delco 2 wire pigtail at Autozone and spliced both leads to +12 volts and then clipped it into the altenators' regulator input connector. The 2 terminals labled R and F are Relay and Field. Field gets +12 volts and Relay needs +12 volts to turn the regulator on. Normally, the relay wire is connected to the ignition key or a terminal on the oil pressure switch. After the engine starter gets the engine running, the altenator then gets 12 volts to the relay and turns the altenator on. Supplying 12 volts to both R and F is okay and won't hurt the system so long as it is supplied through the key switch, otherwise the battery will run down in time. The Relay terminal could also be wired to a toggle switch to alow manual starting and stopping of the altenator. With RPM's as low as 2400 rpm, the altenator can output a 50 amp charge. My Detroit Diesel will only spin up to 2300, yet keeps my 2 batteries fully charged and my headlight burning steady and bright! One of the other advantages here is, the Delco/GM altenator is easy to service(rebuild) and with easily available parts. Kits for little over 20 bucks can be purcased at Autozone that include bearings, brushes, regulator and Diode packs (no soldering needed). I purchased the Delco for my Ford truck for 20 bucks at the local junk yard. I paid 15 dollars for the Delco I modified and installed in my wife's Jaguar (she doesn't know the difference) and have purcased a 90 amp version for a generator project I intend to do later on. All and all and all around, you can't do better than a Delco/GM altenator.
 
Jun 1, 2004
227
Beneteau 393 Newport
A few falicies have been portrayed.

Rick, there is no correlation between an automotive type battery charger and an internal voltage regulator. An internal regulator will charge and eventually float the charge, unlike most chargers. John, I would suppose that none of the "experts" you talked to had a product to sell that was at loggerheads with the product in question. I would guess that they were each trying to hawk their own products. I have a three stage Balmar regulator, but would not buy their alternator because it is overpriced. Several hundred dollars more for a white paint job? Rediculous. I had a Battery Shack alternator in my last boat for eight years with no problems whatever. It should be noted that I do not rely on the alternator for general battery charging. I use solar. The alternator is a back-up system. Jim
 
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