HEY! Before you post in this forum...

[Phil Herring]

The Ask All Sailors Forum (this one) crosses over to all of our sites for Beneteau, Catalina, Hunter, Macgregor, Oday, and SailboatOwners.com.It is probably not the most efficient place to post questions specific to your Hunter 380 impeller or your C-22 wiring harness. Chances are good that folks with Beneteaus, Macgregors, and Bavarias won't be much help. You'll find forums that are specifically for owners of your brand, and the size range of your boat, where you are much more likely to find others who have dealt with the same problem.Thank you. I feel much better now.

 

[Ed Schenck]

Slow day Phil?

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[David]

Hey Phil

It's your site but I would find the impeller cover speed seal great information for all boat owners with inboard engines!

 

[Phil Herring]

It _was_ slow

Actually, it's never slow. But it's never a good idea to give me a slug of caffeine then have me spend 20 min moving posts and replies around.The impeller questions is a fair one. The product recommendation would apply all around, but the post is clearly written to other H380 owners. I'm thinking that if I own an Oday 28 I don'tmuch care what someone says is a good purchase for an H380. anyway, that's what I based my decision on.Now... where did I leave my meds...

 

[Phil Herring]

See?

The Garmin GPS and 'running with bare poles' posts are exactly what this forum was designed for: topics that transcend specific boat brands and models, and deal more with general purpose gear or sailing questions.OK, OK, I'm done.

 

[Brian]

Doh!

Sorry Phil! I was making a point about my H380, but I had already talked to a few of my buds and they had the same access issue with their impeller, so I thought it might help a few others that had Yanmars also...I will avoid the "ask all sailors" in the future when referring to my H380 ;-)Brian

 

[John Nantz]

".... post is relevant to ...." Problem

Phil - I think the problem stems from the drop-down table for "Your post is relevant to which [Hunter][Beneteau][Catalina][etc.] models(s)?"1. "...Post is Relevant... Title: First off, the title for the drop-down table is TITLED with the brand name of the forum the surfer is in which leads one, especially newbies, to believe whatever one writes is for that brand.2. Drop-Down Table: The drop-down table is only wide enough to display "General_interest" TWICE. It's hard for anyone to understand what the two are for. See picture - hopefully it's attached.Recommendations:1. If it's possible to have a post for "all brands" then perhaps the title should be revised accordingly, for example: "Your post is relevant to which brand/model(s)?". This should still fit on one line.2. General_interest: Revise the first "general interest" to read, for example, "All Manufacturers", "All Brands". Revise the second one to read "All [Hunters][Catalinas][Beneteaus]"etc. depending on the forum one is signed into.

 

[Peter J. Brennan]

What's the problem?

It says right here: Your post is relevant to which O'Day model(s)? But at the top it says "Shared Forum" and lsist all the other makes. So what's the problem?I have a bigger problem with the Big Boat forum. There is seldom anything there and most of what is there does not refer to big boats. All the action is in fact in this forum.

 

[Steve Dion]

What's the problem?

perception !

 

[Phil Herring]

Good point Peter!

That can be easily solved.John: I can remove the double General_interest... although I guess I don't quite see how that is confusing anyone. I'll review the rest of your post carefully, it deserves some study.Brian: No big deal. This is clearly _my_ problem, not yours.

 

[Sean]

Forums

Actually, I've been on this forum every day for a couple of years and I didn't know the medium sized boat forum existed. If I had a question on a Catalina 30 and posted there, how many people would read it. I have a Catalina 30 and I have never read that forum. It's much easier to just skip over what doesn't interest me. Sean

 

[Phil Herring]

Changes

Well, you guys are right, as usual. Errors are usually due to bad interfaces and that seems to be the case here, too.I removed the model-specific verbage and selection from the Ask All Sailors post screen, and added another line to clarify what should be posted there.I also got rid of the double general interest entry.All of these forums run on the same small set of pages, so common elements will show up on all forums if not consciiously deleted.John: those are good ideas for the pull down menu. I have to consider the ripple effect through the site, as those existing designations are used elsewhere. It also assumes people actually use and read the pulldown, historically not always the case. I'm going to keep mulling that over, though.

 

[Jack]

Thanks Phil

I've sailed 50 years and owned cruising sailboats 30 years and still learn from this forum. Thank you for the effort that you put forth to make it available.

 

[Tom Ehmke]

Phil, try one of those light coffees

They're less likely to produce a tempest in a tea (or coffee) cup ;-)>Tom

 

[John Nantz]

My comments are just Suggestions

Phil - regardless of how I phrased my post earlier please take everything as just "suggestions". I don't know all the ramnifications, ripple effect, or how much programming is required and really wanted to support disucssion.I've noticed many a time that the original post was for "General_interest", read 'all sailors', and yet the message in the post was for a specific model. If I answered the post I would select what I felt was the more appropriate selection - don't know if it did any good, though.

 

[John Nantz]

Legend 35 Hull Cross-section Picture

Because of the many chainplate posts of late and questions about who has what, attached (hopefully) is a picture of the Hunter Legend 35 Hull Cross-section for the Boat Information/Model Information section - should you wish to display it.Just a suggestion.

 

[John Nantz]

Picture second effort

Because of all the disucssion about chainplates I attached a picture of a hull cross-section for a Hunter 35. File is 72 pixles per inch and less than 80K but unfortunately one can't read the writing. In the original scan at 92 ppi the writing was perfectly clear even when the picture was zoomed up to bigger than screen size.Don't know if you want to post this or not. If thee was a different way to do this I'd give it a try. Used Adobe PhotoDelux to make the adjustment.

 

[John Nantz]

Third Try

Forgot to check the "I have a photo" box.It's becoming a long day!

 

[Phil Herring]

John

They're good suggestions, and that's how I'm taking them. However you phrased them was much gentler than my original post in this thread.... Anyway, there may be some good ways to incorporate what you described. It's almost like sorting the posts on a different axis. Doing it in the pull down menus instead of forum categories. And a merge of the two ideas could also work. Lots of food for thought.I think that chainplate cross section would be a good thing topost right about now. If you would, email me a big image at high resolution ( just so long as it's under about 5 megs). phil@hunterowners.com I've got good software here to keep the image size big but skinny the file size way down.Thanks!

 

[Steve Dion]

Duplicate post from previous thread.

John:This is a post from a previous thread regarding the chain plates.I think that there should be some understanding of the changes that Hunter has made over the years. What some of us may view as a lack of engineering design may be a lack of understanding engineering.Hunter has changed the way the chainplates are designed a few times in the last 25-30 years. The earlier models in the 70's and early 80's had it's shrouds attached to a chainplate that through bolted through the main bulkheads.Beginning in the early to mid 80's the shrounds were attached to a chainplate that had a rod that screwed into a steel anchor that was bonded in under the pan grid system(this is like my 1985 H'31). In the mid 90's they began to use composite chainplates and found that they were as strong as the anchor system. The anchor system was only as strong the bonding that tied the pan grid to the hull. The composite chainplate however relies upon hull laminate that is actually built in all the way down into the keel. The chain plate attachment is drilled throught the deck and also through this hull laminate that is inboard of the deck. Contrary to the conclusion that some have drawn from the failure of 'ONE' 376 chainplate, the chainplate's rely upon this hull laminate that it is through bolted and is tied all the way down into the keel laminate.The 376 that had the chainplate failure was from a single production problem (NOT A DESIGN PROBLEM). You cannot judge that all the chain plate's with this design based upon this single failure of this Hunter 376. I doubt that this is going to change some opinions but considering that Hunter IS one of the largest mfg. of sailboats in the world, we all know that if this was a REAL problem we would have heard about this much more on this website that this single incident. Nearly every production manufacter has problems from time to time. The real difference is weather they stand behind their product or not. My understanding of this case is that Hunter has stepped up and did what they could.