Help with Variprop?

Sep 19, 2004
85
Hunter e36 Vancouver
I bought a Hunter 36e three years ago new with a Variprop.

I was not happy with the vibration of the prop while motoring but the local engine mechanic (Stem to Stern in Vancouver) told me that this is how it is and not to worry about it.

Have to give credit to the local dealer, Specialty Yachts for noticing that I am less than satisfied when filling the Hunter customer survey and Lawrence from Specialty Yachts came out with me on the boat and agreed that the vibration was excessive.

The propeller was then taken off the boat, sent back to factory for checks. I was under the initial impression that it was sent back to the factory in Germany but later was told that it may have gone to the US dealer, the only certified Variprop service centre in North America.

I was told that it needed adjustment and servicing which was done.

I finally had the Variprop back last fall and now mounted back on the boat a month and a half ago.

It is indeed a joy to be able to sail again without the drag of a fixed blade propeller but the vibration is still excessive to me while motoring.

The prop works well until about 2500 rpm and then it starts to have a "thump thump" like beat frequency type of vibration and the helm starts wanting to veer to port. At 3000 rpm and above, the thump thump frequency has increased to a blend of buzz and the shaking is, in my estimation, too stressful for the drive train.

The helm also needs to be held to stay straight ahead at this point or else it will veer to port.

This is all a bit better than before sending the prop for service and adjustment but in my mind still too much vibration for the drive train.

The engine runs smooth on idle all the way to 3600 rpm so the vibration is all from the shaft on to the propeller.

The strut holding the propeller is new as I hit a log last season and had to replace the strut and had the propeller shaft checked.

I was using the factory 2 blade fixed prop while the Variprop was off for servicing and while there are other types of vibration, it was not the thump thump like vibration as with the Variprop.

It is difficult to quantify what is "excessive vibration" when motoring but I had a 2004 Hunter33 before this with a fixed 3 blade prop connected to a similar horsepower Yanmar engine and the vibration was much less. I also never had to touch the helm while motoring.

I am suspicious that there is still something wrong with the propeller. If the thump thump vibration and helm veering off are both improved by the adjustment but not eliminated, seems to me that there is a balance or uneven issue with the propeller that was reduced but not eliminated.

Any suggestions out there on similar experiences with Variprop and how you may have handled the issue?

Thanks.
 
Sep 25, 2008
615
Morgan 415 Out Island Rogersville, AL
How many proppeller blades do you have? If it is 2, that could be the cause of excessive vibration. How close is a propeller blade tip to the hull or deadwood? If it is <15% of the propeller diameter, it may be too close. David Gerr recommends 20% or greater. What is the maximum un-supported shaft distance. If it is greater than 40 shaft diameters, it may be too great. If the above values are reasonable for your boat--look at your engine mounts. There are ways to test them without having to call in a mechanic. If you have to rely on a mechanic for everything, get the best mechanic you can--a cheap mechanic is a false economy. There are plenty of bad mechanics that charge too much.
 
Sep 19, 2004
85
Hunter e36 Vancouver
Thanks for the post.

The propeller is 3 blade.

I don't have the exact dimensions but the propeller blade looks to be more than 15% blade diameter. It is likely more than 4 inches which will be more than 20%.

The unsupported shaft length is in the order of 40 shaft diameters. I am guessing that the shaft diameter is about 1" and the shaft length from the hull to the strut is around 30+ inches.

We were going to change to a harder material for the shaft before sending the prop back to the factory but when the factory acknowledge that adjustments are required, we did not proceed with changing the shaft.

Without exact measurements, I would say the shaft support arrangement is no different than what I had with the 33 and very typical of sailboats.

The mechanic is the local Yanmar dealer and acknowledged to be very good with boat drive trains. So they are not cheap mechanics but likely the best in the area. They have checked static balance and had checked engine mounts while boat is underway.

Thanks for the suggestions. If I had known about these general parameters, I would have measured them exactly when the boat is on the hard. Will do that next time.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
No, it's not normal. I've had a Variprop for 7 seasons and no vibration whatsoever. Yanmar 3YM30. We've put over 600 hours on and I've pushed it to WOT without any problem.

I'm thinking hitting the log has something to do with the vibration issues or has this been going on since new?

You still have vibrations with the 2-blade? Sounds more like shaft, alignment etc. probelms.
 
Sep 19, 2004
85
Hunter e36 Vancouver
Thanks Scott.

The vibrations are from when the Variprop was new. However, since it was a new boat, I was not sure if it was the slightly different setup compared to the 33 even though visually they seem the same to me.

The dealer told me then that it is "normal" for larger boats to veer towards port when motoring but since the 33 and 36e both had the same size Yanmar engine, I am having trouble accepting that.

The vibrations with the 2 blade fixed prop is quite different. No thump thump but just a general roughness and at a much higher rpm. I think the 2 blade was also under pitched as I had to run at a much higher rpm to get the same boat speed.

I figured that it was normal for the 2 blade.

I hit the log last season and I thought I was lucky to get through it as the drive train vibrations did not change from before to after hitting the log. However, this spring when the boat was on the hard, noticed that the shaft zincs were gone and the strut was slightly but definitely bent.

Because I was motoring when the log hit and there were no difference in vibration before and after the hit. I figured that it was not a factor. I was also running with the two blade prop when I got hit and now I am looking at the 3 blade Variprop having similar but less of a problem than when it was new.

We looked at the possibility of having to put in a new shaft but the mechanics put the old shaft in and I noticed a $200 charge for servicing the shaft. I am in the process of finding out what they did, whether they turned it on the lathe or some other thing before putting it back in.

So at this point, I am still suspicious of the prop, especially when you mentioned that you've never had a problem and I've had the same issue since new.

Thanks for your input Scott. Without it, I will have to think that the Variprop may inherently be rough because of the moving parts inside and impossible to get balanced perfectly.
 

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Jul 7, 2010
523
Hunter 42 Sydney
i went from a factory 2 blade to 3 blade variprop on my H42- i have a little vibration at higher revs , but i am pretty sure that is in the haft as I had the same vibration with the 2 blade. Very happy with the 3 blade variprop- BUT, if it was to start again from scratch i would go with a gori next time purely due to the overdrive function- an AMAZING drop in revs in overdrive- a friend has one on his jenneau 42- very impressive!
 
Sep 19, 2004
85
Hunter e36 Vancouver
Thanks for the tip Scott.

The local Vancouver dealer, Mark Gilbert, helps with the local Hunter dealer, Specialty Yachts in a lot of the service work so he is familiar with the boat and the issues. Specialty Yachts have been servicing my boat from the start.

I understand from the Specialty Yacht service manager, Sarah, that Mark had been against sending the prop back to the factory and Sarah had to go against Mark to have it done.

I have not talk to Mark directly about this.

Have your dealt with the distributor in Toronto and what are they like?

I am thinking of contacting the factory directly.
 
Sep 20, 2006
2,952
Hunter 33 Georgian Bay, Ontario, Canada
I've only dealt with Greg at Nautilus Propeller / Evolution Sails once and was quick response and answered my question. He is the Canadian Dist. / Ont. dealer.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,852
Hunter 49 toronto
If you want to get a Gori prop with overdrive

i went from a factory 2 blade to 3 blade variprop on my H42- i have a little vibration at higher revs , but i am pretty sure that is in the haft as I had the same vibration with the 2 blade. Very happy with the 3 blade variprop- BUT, if it was to start again from scratch i would go with a gori next time purely due to the overdrive function- an AMAZING drop in revs in overdrive- a friend has one on his jenneau 42- very impressive!
I have an excellent place to find them.
Go to marine yards, and look in the dumpsters.
I'm not kidding.
I know of a 49 owner who literally pitched his in the bin after suffering with the overdrive cavitation and vibration reported by numerous other owners.
And here's what he did:
He dealt with Greg @ Evolution Sails in Toronto.
Greg ensured that he would have his new prop exactly on time, perfectly pitched.
My buddy couldn't have been happier with the service.
Btw, I own a 4 blade Vari. Excellent prop. Not cheap, but worth the dough