Help Turn On The Heater!!please!!

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Feb 8, 2013
92
beneteau 352 Raritan Bay
recently bought a 99' bene 352..


question.. how does the heat work?? I read through all the manuals(that I have), I cant find anything.. I hooked up A/C power and turned on the thermostat, set it to "heat" not "cool" and set the temp to 90...the only thing that happened was the air condition compressor kicked on and the evaporator started freezing condensation on it...no hot air at all..

what am I doing wrong??

thank guys
 
Apr 14, 2010
195
Jeanneau 42DS Larnaca Marina
recently bought a 99' bene 352..


question.. how does the heat work?? I read through all the manuals(that I have), I cant find anything.. I hooked up A/C power and turned on the thermostat, set it to "heat" not "cool" and set the temp to 90...the only thing that happened was the air condition compressor kicked on and the evaporator started freezing condensation on it...no hot air at all..

what am I doing wrong??

thank guys
Is the boat in the water? I hope you know that the heat needs circulating sea water to operate.
 
Feb 8, 2013
92
beneteau 352 Raritan Bay
Is the boat in the water? I hope you know that the heat needs circulating sea water to operate.
no.. grounded while im working on it..and no, I didn't know that... THANK YOU...so was I operating it correctly?? it just didn't work because it wasn't in the water??
 

rdees

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Oct 5, 2011
14
Beneteau 400 Jacksonville
Should work once you're back in the water. As Lee said, the heat won't work without water circulating. I noticed recently that my heat wasn't working and the a/c started icing up. Checked the water pump and it wasn't working. Fixed it and heat is working fine.
 
Feb 8, 2013
92
beneteau 352 Raritan Bay
Should work once you're back in the water. As Lee said, the heat won't work without water circulating. I noticed recently that my heat wasn't working and the a/c started icing up. Checked the water pump and it wasn't working. Fixed it and heat is working fine.

just so I understand, does the system continually take on raw water and expel it, or just recirculate the same water around??
 
Jun 25, 2012
942
hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
rdees said:
Should work once you're back in the water. As Lee said, the heat won't work without water circulating. I noticed recently that my heat wasn't working and the a/c started icing up. Checked the water pump and it wasn't working. Fixed it and heat is working fine.
Remember if your unit is not a reverse cycle unit and just has a heat strip instead as some models do then it does not require raw water pump to run or water circulation when running the heat.
 
Mar 20, 2007
500
Catalina 355 Kilmarnock, VA
It continuously draws in water, circulates it through the condenser, and then expels it. It is a heat pump, drawing residual heat from the water and transferring it to the air in the boat. In AC mode, it reverses and draws heat from the air and transfers to the water.
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,718
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
OP, I strongly recommend that you seek ALL of the manuals for your boat and read them. This sort of misunderstanding suggests significant gaps in your knowledge of marine systems, some of which could be either expensive or dangerous. You need to learn the function of every circuit, every seacock and every line, and it would be best if you did this before going anywhere. I think the thing that bugs me most is that operating the systems requires pumping through a seacock (hole in the hull) and thus it was not even known which valves were open and why. Are there strainers on sump pumps that need cleaned? Do the pumps work? Are they wired to the battery or the panel? Where are the fuses? If water starts to come in, do you know all of the potential sources? Or is it a fresh water leak?

Not to be severe, but safe operation of a boat is complex.
 
May 25, 2012
46
Beneteau B393 Norfolk
Jees Thin, give the guy a break. People learn by their mistakes. This was not life threatening! Just another system to learn about.
Congrats in the new boat! Keep learning and keep coming back here! Maybe you'll be the one giving the good advise in the future!
 
Mar 26, 2011
3,718
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Jees Thin, give the guy a break. People learn by their mistakes. This was not life threatening! Just another system to learn about.
Congrats in the new boat! Keep learning and keep coming back here! Maybe you'll be the one giving the good advise in the future!
Perhaps and my apologies. I suspected as much at the time and nearly deleted my post. However, I have also seen several boats flood at the lift. He could easily have burned up the pump running it dry. Is the raw water system for the engine clean and properly open? There certainly are systems that can cause dangerous faults. I helped pick up 2 rock climbers that made very simple beginner's mistakes that they never had a chance to learn from. Not knowing the function of all of the seacocks on a boat is disturbing, to me.
 
Feb 8, 2013
92
beneteau 352 Raritan Bay
OP, I strongly recommend that you seek ALL of the manuals for your boat and read them. This sort of misunderstanding suggests significant gaps in your knowledge of marine systems, some of which could be either expensive or dangerous. You need to learn the function of every circuit, every seacock and every line, and it would be best if you did this before going anywhere. I think the thing that bugs me most is that operating the systems requires pumping through a seacock (hole in the hull) and thus it was not even known which valves were open and why. Are there strainers on sump pumps that need cleaned? Do the pumps work? Are they wired to the battery or the panel? Where are the fuses? If water starts to come in, do you know all of the potential sources? Or is it a fresh water leak?

Not to be severe, but safe operation of a boat is complex.

no apology needed, I totally agree.. ive been so busy doing repairs I haven't gone on the interior and spent a minute figuring out a thing.. my only time inside was spent layering glass in the bow..and in north new jersey I was a bit chilly and just wanted to turn the heat on to make it a little more comfortable..

so far I fixed a hole in the bow, straightened out the keel and added 12" to the bottom of my broken off rudder.. but ill get to it

some sanding and ready for gel coat on the bow and bottom paint.. now im on the hunt for a rig..
 

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Mar 26, 2011
3,718
Corsair F-24 MK I Deale, MD
Boats have LONG learning curve. Really. Your pictures speak to your education under fire!

Keep it up.
 
Jun 25, 2012
942
hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
no apology needed, I totally agree.. ive been so busy doing repairs I haven't gone on the interior and spent a minute figuring out a thing.. my only time inside was spent layering glass in the bow..and in north new jersey I was a bit chilly and just wanted to turn the heat on to make it a little more comfortable..

so far I fixed a hole in the bow, straightened out the keel and added 12" to the bottom of my broken off rudder.. but ill get to it

some sanding and ready for gel coat on the bow and bottom paint.. now im on the hunt for a rig..
Looks like rely good work!...:thumbup: Did you use any s.s. all thread into what was left of rudder to add a some strength to the extention repair for normal stress loads? Of Course you still would want to keep some sacrificial break way so if you were to hit something again you would still have some rudder left to get you home...
 
Feb 8, 2013
92
beneteau 352 Raritan Bay
Looks like rely good work!...:thumbup: Did you use any s.s. all thread into what was left of rudder to add a some strength to the extention repair for normal stress loads? Of Course you still would want to keep some sacrificial break way so if you were to hit something again you would still have some rudder left to get you home...

no ss.. the original design basically is a foam core with a 1 1/2" - 2" metal rod going down the middle wrapped in a 1/4" of glass.. as a result of Sandy the bottom 12" broke off, it snapped right where the metal rod ended.. personally I think it broke as it was designed to. id much rather the bottom 12" break off than the rod bend of worse the hull or rudder tube get damaged.. a new rudder is $3500.. so ill try to fix it myself first if it doesn't work out we'll go with plan B.. and I know if the S##t hits the fan I can limp back home missing 12" ..

you can plainly see that its foam core ( same consistence as "spray foam" ), no wood in there at all.. so I got the idea of regular foam board that you use to insulate the exterior of your home.. I took a piece of card board walked over to one of my fellow boater's Bene (unbeknownst to them) and made a template.. bought a 1 1/2" piece of foam, cut it and shaped it with a palm sander and layered about 20 sheets of glass, bi axle , mat and mesh.. I ground down and tapered the bottom 6-8" of the rudder and layered the glass on that to give it some meat to hold on to.. its hard as a rock and a pretty good shape..

if it doesn't work out it only cost me about $150 in material and a couple days out of my life and after I just spent my nut just buying the boat, I have more time than I do money.. but honestly im feeling pretty optimistic about it
 

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Jun 25, 2012
942
hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
knot smart said:
no ss.. the original design basically is a foam core with a 1 1/2" - 2" metal rod going down the middle wrapped in a 1/4" of glass.. as a result of Sandy the bottom 12" broke off, it snapped right where the metal rod ended.. personally I think it broke as it was designed to. id much rather the bottom 12" break off than the rod bend of worse the hull or rudder tube get damaged.. a new rudder is $3500.. so ill try to fix it myself first if it doesn't work out we'll go with plan B.. and I know if the S##t hits the fan I can limp back home missing 12" ..

you can plainly see that its foam core ( same consistence as "spray foam" ), no wood in there at all.. so I got the idea of regular foam board that you use to insulate the exterior of your home.. I took a piece of card board walked over to one of my fellow boater's Bene (unbeknownst to them) and made a template.. bought a 1 1/2" piece of foam, cut it and shaped it with a palm sander and layered about 20 sheets of glass, bi axle , mat and mesh.. I ground down and tapered the bottom 6-8" of the rudder and layered the glass on that to give it some meat to hold on to.. its hard as a rock and a pretty good shape..

if it doesn't work out it only cost me about $150 in material and a couple days out of my life and after I just spent my nut just buying the boat, I have more time than I do money.. but honestly im feeling pretty optimistic about it
Closed cell foam right??
 

Gunni

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Mar 16, 2010
5,937
Beneteau 411 Oceanis Annapolis
Way to bring her back knot smart! Looking at the view of your keel, it appears that the hull is deformed - deflected upward. Could be a visual thing, but if it is check your internal grid structure and make sure everything remains properly bonded to the hull. Look at your keel bolts for signs of trauma.
 
Jun 25, 2012
942
hunter 356 Kemah,the Republic of Texas
Way to bring her back knot smart! Looking at the view of your keel, it appears that the hull is deformed - deflected upward. Could be a visual thing, but if it is check your internal grid structure and make sure everything remains properly bonded to the hull. Look at your keel bolts for signs of trauma.
Good catch Gunni..... I had not noticed that before while studing the picture earlier. May need to have some similiar work done like this guy.....Lets pray its hopefully not as extensive. http://s454.photobucket.com/user/DavidJCooper/library/Hunter 356 Passion?start=all
 
Feb 8, 2013
92
beneteau 352 Raritan Bay
Way to bring her back knot smart! Looking at the view of your keel, it appears that the hull is deformed - deflected upward. Could be a visual thing, but if it is check your internal grid structure and make sure everything remains properly bonded to the hull. Look at your keel bolts for signs of trauma.

I did notice that before I placed a bid on the boat.. I pulled all the floor boards and looked carefully.. there are no cracks around the ribs ( bulkheads?) throughout.. from both the interior and exterior there is no cracking .. where the keel bolts up everything is clean.. but still I acknowledge your observation.. I cant figure it out.. I want to say its just the fiberglass hull flexing because theres too much weight on the keel and not distributed evenly on the stands...but then everything ive read says there should be no weight on the stands.. I even saw a pic of a beached boat standing perfectly out of the water balanced on just the keel ...I don't know .. but every comparable boat I see for sale cost about 75k- 90k..and I stole this one at 8.5k...so if it flexes a bit...oh well.. :) ill get some insurance, sea tow, eperp and I have my cell phone... im going sailing!!!..
 
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