Help Me Choose A Boat !!

May 17, 2004
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Beneteau Oceanis 37 Havre de Grace
The PHRF difference suggests they’re a minute per mile apart. On a 30 mile day that’d be an extra half hour. But that assumes both boats are rigged for racing and in conditions that suit them (generally close to hull speed). I expect that if the winds are lighter, especially if they’re forward of the beam, the full keel will be at a much larger disadvantage than the handicap suggests.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Open Ocean... Storms generally move at 10-13knts per hour. Looking at the PHRF ratings are not used to tell you how fast a boat is cruising. They are designed to "theoretically" equalize the speed differences of different boats.

For your purpose you need to know, Can my boat out race a storm? The answer is (based on your "modest" budget)... No for all of the boats you state you have searched. You would need a boat with 15knts hull speed at light to moderate wind speeds. Examine the winds around a storm. You could be on the side of a storm with calm to mild conditions. It would be ease to be sailing right towards a storm with your fast boat and not even know it.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
Within your budget, find one that you want to live on.

Make it as sound in hull and equipment as you can afford. Then learn to understand the wind and storms of the waters you want to sail in. Learn to read the weather & navigate. Sharpen those skills and test your skill. When satisfied, then venture beyond the known into the unknown.

If your planning is sound you have a chance at survival. "If your preparations for the sea are poor..." well you know the possible outcomes.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,704
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
You’ve all heard the questions before. Fun keep v full, how important is headroom, etc. Well here I am having the toughest time deciding what type of boat to get now, even after all my research!
I am in Santa Barbara CA, and am debating between a full keeled smaller sailboat (Bristol 29), no standing headroom, not a ton of storage, but built like a tank. and a Pearson 32. Both in good condition, clean, willing to do upgrades.

I am mostly worried about investing money into a boat that I may not be excited about in the future. I am in Santa Barbara and I am really looking forward to a lot of Channel Islands trips. Many people say get a cruiser/racer fin keel so you can get there fast and have maneuverability in the small anchorages. On the other hand, I REALLY want to take the boat to Tahiti in the next few years. I will also likely live on the sailboat on a mooring here. The big ocean trip makes me want to say full keel, built solid, simple sailboat. But the rest of the time says fin keel will do just fine, and as commonly stated - often a boat handle way more than the crew! I don’t want to skimp on my boat strength, but I also won’t be cruising full time for the next five years also.

I’ve sailed and raced plenty. But there really are two camps and I want to source more information based on my own situation.
I see that you presently own a Cal 34. What is wrong with the boat you have? The Cal is built comparably to the Bristol and has interior room. Both are more solidly built than a Pearson.
 

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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CAL 35 Cruiser #21 moored EVERETT WA
I see that you presently own a Cal 34. What is wrong with the boat you have? The Cal is built comparably to the Bristol and has interior room. Both are more solidly built than a Pearson.
The answer to your question is found in post #8 on page 1.

I thought that I was going to own a Cal 34, and had been taking with someone about buying his, so I listed that when signing up. That deal fell through and then I really started thinking about trying to get the boat that would be best suited for offshore, so I started thinking about the Bristol.
 
Aug 13, 2022
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Cal 34 Santa Barbara
Thanks again all. I would like to focus in on the Bristol 29 for a moment. There are certainly a lot of opinions on ocean going boats, and what could qualify as a decent option someone may suggest.
I am focusing in on the Bristol 29 for a few different reasons. The first is that the 27’ version was listed in John Vigor’s book about small boats sailing anywhere. That got me interested, and then I saw the 27 and 29 listed on Atom Voyages website. Then, a very clean and well kept, upgraded to diesel, Bristol 29 showed up in my area for sale. Some people have said they have fun sailing on them. Bristol gets good reviews for build quality (though maybe less so earlier on, like the ‘69 for sale near me). These things attracted me to the boat, but now I also hear people saying that they are not fans of those “old slow boats”, and would suggest something totally different. I can’t tell if I would be better off in this or a Cal-29 at this point, and the are definitely more Cal’s to choose from. Is the Bristol really such a bad option for offshore sailing?
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I understand you are looking for as much input as you can get. But in my opinion, you need to make your own decision based upon how you like to sail/need in a boat/quality of boat available when you are buying.

I personally like to sail. I like a fast sailboat. I do not like slow sailboats. I will choose the best condition boat, with the best sailing characteristics available to me at the time. I won't buy a racing sailboat as I have other constraints, such as comfort, sea kindliness, and so on. So I have my list of things that I must balance when looking at a sailboat.

I would not choose a Bristol 29 because it's just not high enough up on the speed column for my tastes. It doesn't have enough interior space for me. I don't particularly like the cockpit for off-shore sailing. It's too small for me in general and definitely too slow. But all that said, it's a great boat. It can be just what someone wants and will love. Ah, that part... I very much believe you have to love your boat. When you walk away from her you turn back and look and go, "Oh man, that is one beautiful boat!"

Translated: You have to know how you like to sail. And you have to love the boat you are buying.

dj
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Until you spend some time actually living and sailing on a boat, it is difficult to choose the "forever" boat.

Do not under rate livability. You will spend more time just living on the boat than sailing. Remember, life is too short to sail slow boats or ugly boats. :cool:
 
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Mar 20, 2015
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C&C 30 Mk1 Winnipeg
Translated: You have to know how you like to sail. And you have to love the boat you are buying.
This.
There is a Contessa in our marina. Proven to cross oceans and fast for the design style. Very nice looking too. While I would definitely use it for ocean sailing , it isn't the boat type I would choose. Different strokes.


Remember, life is too short to sail slow boats or ugly boats. :cool:
Unfortunately fast ones are usually ugly. Hehe.
 
Mar 20, 2015
3,199
C&C 30 Mk1 Winnipeg
My Sabre is pretty fast (base PHRF = 129) and receives lots of compliments
Beauty in the eye as they say.
I find current designs mostly ugly, even if they are faster. The sabre isn't a current design of course.

We had a discussion at the marina this year about William Garden designs because there is a Bayfield 29 for sale here. Opinions were split on its visual appearance. I love the look. Many agreed it was too slow. Others said they could care less if we zoom pass their Bayfield of various sizes.


Boats like a sabre do look nice to some. I see it as simply similar, but nicer looking, to other boats of the era.

A former SBO member would call the "new design" Catalina 22 as "the prettiest boat in the marina"... Meh. It looks like a generic fiberglass boat from 80s. They don't end up on boat calendars. A Herreshoff design does.

Edit I am a bit mixed up in my likes. I want an aluminium pilothouse. I covet Sundeers but will never afford one. I think a Contessa 32 would be nice.

Maybe the answer is get a Cal and A Bristol and 49er and a motorsailor...Hehe. That's what people do with cars.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
5,134
Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Have you ever been to Santa Cruz Island or the others? When you get there you’ll find no shore-based services, and nearly zero internet access w/o special equipment (e.g., Starlink). No place to buy ice if you have an icebox in which to store perishable goods. Does either boat have refrigeration? Then you’d need the means to keep up the batteries at anchor. You’ll probably want about 400 amp-hr of battery capacity w/refrigeration, so then you’ll need solar panels to help keep them up. Just put aside thoughts of a Pacific crossing for now; think about how you’ll keep the boat a viable living space for a mere 15 days at the islands.

I just returned from 14 days at Santa Cruz Island. Here’s some of the equipment used. Two of my three sets of ground tackle, windlass, GPS, chart plotters, depth sounder, mast-head weather station, VHF radio(s), RIB dinghy and outboard, 85-watt solar panel (but should have had two along), refrigerator, propane stove, binoculars, two flopper-stoppers, mainsail and 120% headsail, autopilot, Bimini, dodger, cockpit winches and handles, internal lighting, etc. I was able to maintain batteries at, or above, 12.2 volts (ca. 50% state of charge) using combination of solar and Balmar high-capacity alternator. Blew through 150 liters of boat water, and so forth. Trust me; you’ll want the Pearson.

BTW. You’d likely be able to remain in Tahiti for a relatively short time before being ushered out. Perhaps 90 days with a visa; however, might be less if visiting by private yacht.
 
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Mar 20, 2015
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C&C 30 Mk1 Winnipeg
Just put aside thoughts of a Pacific crossing for now; think about how you’ll keep the boat a viable living space for a mere 15 days at the islands.
Yup. Can easily get a different boat later when he decides to cross oceans.

Boats are not much different than any other vehicle or tool etc. No single one will work for every task.

Personaly, I would buy the Pearson and change later if/when you ever cross an ocean.

Buy a boat, use it, and decide for yourself.

Fwiw: People sailed without refrigeration for eons. You could still do it now. Each to their own. That is why this type of discussion can go on forever.
 
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Jul 27, 2011
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Bavaria 38E Alamitos Bay
Fwiw: People sailed without refrigeration for eons. You could still do it now. Each to their own. That is why this type of discussion can go on forever.
This is true; but what did they eat? Hardtack, salt meat, and rum! Many suffered the effects of scurvy. But sure. One could do without it with all of our canned and dry goods options. (Beans, oatmeal, and rice will keep you going for a while along with vitamin C tabs. Yum!) Most perishable stuff won’t survive more than a couple of weeks to a month under refrigeration anyway, although that might be long enough if not sailing non-stop around the world. Would have to learn how to provision correctly; but my main point is he’ll need storage and equipment space and the means to keep up the batteries, regardless. For that, bigger is better.
 
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Jan 25, 2007
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Cal Cal 33-2 cape cod
My choice is the Pearson 32. (PHRF 219 v 159 I would notice).... I prefer the more sail area to displacement and the diesel to gas. Motion comfort seemed similar. Skeg rudder on the 29.9 is interesting...in that lots of off-shore sailors like the solidness, however plenty boats crossing oceans without it. (whole other thread) I am a non-binary racer/cruiser, motor fluid....sailor..? Floater dock dweller? Boat fixer type of sailing fishing guy? I'm not sure if my advice is valid or if I'm qualified... I like boats. I love sailing. Get a sailboat! Have fun & good luck.
 

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