Height of head sail above bow?

[Brian D]

I can attest to Don's book. First time I read it (and read it again for clarity) I went on San Diego Bay and for the very first time in my sailing life, the boat steered itself with incredible sail balance and minimal weather helm. I was so happy. I would highly recommend the book.

Markwbird, I will keep that in mind when I raise the foot. I don't race, but pointing is as important as everything else.

 

[Rocksterr]

Rocky: Here's the problem I had with inboard & outboard tracks and it centered around the safety lines. They presented a problem, which I couldn't solve. My Catalina 30 (1981) came with outboard tracks but it had a a set of tracks on the cabin top, which I really wanted to use closehauled. I spent many an hour and a few beers trying to figure out how to use both tracks using a Garhauer snatch block, which I operate with one hand but the safety lines always got in the way. Finally, I settled on a barberhauler setup, which got the job done.

I know that you're trying to educate yourself on sail trim and I think I can help because I was in your position years ago (we all were because we were not born with sail trim knowledge). The first thing you need to understand is what all the sail trim controls for the main and jib are adjusting. They are adjusting ONLY 4 elements (draft depth, draft position, twist & angle of attack). Next, you need to know which element each sail trim control for the main and jib is adjusting (buy my SAIL TRIM CHART and a free "quick reference" is included, which will outline it for you and will tell you which way to push or pull the sail trim control to obtain the result yo desire. Once you get the basic of sail trim down pat you can then worry about track placement.

I notice you live in Honolulu. What a wonderful place to live. Maybe Stu J, Joe from San Diego and myself and our wives could fly over, of course on your dime, and help you out with sail trim!!! We could probably complete the deal in 2 hours but would have to extend it for 4 days!! What do you think about that? Should we start making airline reservations?? Brian D, who started this topic,and his wife would also be included. When we finish you'll know more about sail trim than 75% of the sailors worldwide. A free SAIL TRIM USERS GUIDE & a SAIL TRIM CHART is included.

Joe, Stu, Brian -start packing, I know he'll go for this deal. If he doesn't, some other forum listers, maybe in NZ or Australia, will be interested!!

Hey Don,

Funny guy you. I look forward to reading your book. I have confirmation that Sail Trim Users Guide is on its way to me now. I trust it will inform me about what a "barberhauler" might be.

Honolulu is, indeed, a wonderful place to live. Actually, my boat lives there, I live in Kailua and I visit my boat as often as I can. Naturally, you are all welcome to visit us in Hawaii but I'm afraid you'll have to do it on your own dime, I just spent my spare dimes on a very cool book about sail trim.

Thank you, Don, for your help in tutoring me about the nuances of sail trim.

Aloha,
Rocky

 

[justsomeguy]

Hey Don,

Funny guy you. I look forward to reading your book. I have confirmation that Sail Trim Users Guide is on its way to me now. I trust it will inform me about what a "barberhauler" might be.

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Aloha,
Rocky

No, that'll cost extra.

But if you google it, you'll find that it can adjust the sheeting angle athwartships.

 

[Kermit]

Naturally, you are all welcome to visit us in Hawaii but I'm afraid you'll have to do it on your own dime, I just spent my spare dimes on a very cool book about sail trim. Aloha, Rocky

Touché!

 

[Rocksterr]

Read this in regard to the placement of sail sheeting angles:
http://forums.sbo.sailboatowners.com/showthread.php?p=1063067&highlight=RichH

Hey Shemandr,

Thanks for the link to that thread. That was some pretty heavy reading for me. I will definitely experiment with my sheeting angles before committing to fairlead track placement. But first, I have some more heavy reading to do.

Thanks again for your support.

Cheers,
Rocky

 

[shemandr]

Thanks for the link to that thread. That was some pretty heavy reading for me. I will definitely experiment with my sheeting angles before committing to fairlead track placement. But first, I have some more heavy reading to do

Thank RichH! Yeah at first it may be hard to follow but go back to it after you've absorbed more info. It will eventually make sense. The take out lesson is that it isn't an arbitrary process to locate jib cart tracks. You don't have to rely on trial and error completely. And that the sail is designed for a particular angle.
Or you can copy what other C22's have done.

 

[RichH]

Is there any restriction on how high the foot of the head sail can be above the bow? If I have enough room at the top of the sail to move it up the head stay, will that be ok?

The question for raising the tack/foot of any sail away from the deck is ......... why? Raising the sail away from the deck reduces sail output efficiency, increases the boat's propensity to heel, etc.

If you want 'visibility' .... the alternative is to consider to have a large clear vinyl 'window' or several 'windows' put into the sail ....... and not suffer from increased heeling moment and degradation of sail output performance. ;-)