Heave-to off wind

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Feb 26, 2004
23,015
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
I'd be interested to learn why folks heave-to.
To reef
rest
eat
pull maintenance on something
something else
Bill, Kinda all of the above. It's a neat technique for when you have non-sailors aboard for lunch. It's been nice out in the ocean for quick break when it's lumpy heading out the Golden Gate. When SH-ing, it's a great pit stop. That's in addition to the "heavy weather tactics tool kit!"

Ross is right, in that all boats behave differently and should be tried out first before necessity intervenes.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
...I find it interesting that your sheets perform differently depending on wither you are going into or with the wind. Mine seem to work the same no mater what direction I'm going....

Umm...your sheet act differently if you have a load on them or not. Under the normal way, I would come close hauled and tighten the sheets as tight as I can and then tack leaving the sheet alone. I can't get the sheet anywhere nearly as tight as I can when there is no load on the jib when it's covered by the main. I can't even get it as tight if I'm in irons either due to the flogging (flogging does add a little load on it). You can get the sheet so much more tighter if there is no load on the sail.

The subject came up when another 376 owner wanted to know how. Our boats have this little problem of the steaming light getting in the way. If we don't get our sheets as tight as possible, the top part of the jib will be on the wrong side of the steaming light and once over, you can't pull it back. This causes wind to come around and get on the main at the top and is my biggest problem when heaving-to.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Certainly agree with Ross and Stu, try it and work out the details BEFORE you need it.
I'm still kinda confused about Franklin's situation though. Perhaps it is because I have 2 speed self tailing winches because I can pull upwards of 3000 lb on my sheet winches. That is "bar" tight and the sails are FLAT. I could tighten further but would probably rip the sail and once flat what would be the point.
Do the 376es have undersized sheet winches?

In any case I would tighten the sheets as the bow passed through the wind to get the sheet really tight as I'm what you call proactively lazy. Work smart, not hard.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
I've used to to come to a "stop" inside a channel that was crossing a shipping channel to let the ships go by once I realized I wasn't going to make it. I've used it to stablize the boat so I could do repairs. I've used it to take breaks. I've done it as practise. I've done it to get a sense of how bad the weather really is (sometimes it just seems worse when we are beating into the wind and waves).

There were times when I was running and wanted to heave-to to wait out the bad weather but didn't want to go through all that wind to tack so I didn't. I wish I knew this technique then.

I normally avoid bad weather so I've never been out in anything over 30 knots true so I've never had to try it as a storm tactic but I'm sure that day will come when I'm crossing oceans.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Bill...all I can say is, try it. Besides, you can't be at the helm and tighten at the same time...at least I can't on my boat as the winches are too far away. If you find that your crew is disabled at some point, you need to know how to handle the boat without them.

and if you want to talk about work...I'm sure it's harder to winch them in with a load on them then without load. My winches are Lewmar 40s two speed selftailing.
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
OK Franklin.

The 40.5 is pretty single hand friendly. Your concept of disabled crew and being able to do set the sails with out them (or helmsman Otto) is certainly valid.
 

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Sep 27, 2008
1,149
Hunter 320 Tampa, FL
It is OK if you are already on a broad reach or a run and you want to stop for lunch but if you are trying to shorten sail on a blow you best head upwind.
 
Jul 20, 2005
2,422
Whitby 55 Kemah, Tx
Also, don't forget all the work you do Bill when it's time to resume course. You have to let the sheet go and trim in the other sheet, then get up speed and then tack again. Verses this method you just have to let the sheet go and trim the other sheet.

That's two tacks in your method to zero in mine.
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,015
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
Emergency, emergency, everybody to get frrrom strrreeeet!

From the old movie "The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming."

So, there are ACTUAL uses for the heave to. This is from my November 2008 Secretary's Report in Mainsheet magazine:

The 2008 Napa Cruise was the first time I used our new Rocna 10 (22#) anchor. It sits well on our old “toy” bow roller, but requires a line be tied onto it and back to the pulpit. A few weeks later we were heading out the Gate after anchoring the night before. About two miles out, I was down below on the phone, when I heard this horrible noise, thinking we’d hit something, something really big! I popped up and, well, I’ll let Dave tell “the rest of the story-“

“Suddenly I hear a rumbling sound - never heard on board before. The engine is off, so I know its not bearings or prop shaft related. Stu climbs (flies up!!!) the companion steps and we think together for 30 seconds before it dawns on us - that was an anchor chain sound. Up until now we had been riding the swells powerfully, with many a wave washing over the bow of the boat sluicing the entire front of the craft up to the dodger with salt spray and wash. One of these waves, or a series of them, had loosened the knot (that Dave tied!!!) holding the anchor to the bow pulpit, and the anchor had left fly toward the bottom. As luck would have it, a tangle in the anchor rode at the aft end of the big center cleat stopped the entire line from unreeling and scrolling overboard. Somehow we were still sailing. The anchor had not hit bottom. Instead of dropping the sails, we just hove to. Then I went forward to assist Stu at the anchor locker. Stu thought perhaps we were indeed "anchored" in a patch of very bumpy water just off Point Bonita. Surreal upon reflection. I sat down on the bow, anchored my feet against the stanchions, and with the best body mechanics I could muster, began the long and arduous job of hauling in the anchor. Indeed upon a few hard tugs, it seemed like we were not actually dug into the bottom, but simply dragging the long chain and anchor like a heavy fishing line. Pull by pull the line came in. I kept looking up at the rocks off point Bonita, concerned we might drift that way, but Stu was keeping a careful eye out, and the current plus wind were driving us parallel to, and not up upon the rocky point. I stopped often to brace the line against a bow cleat to catch my breath. What seemed like forever transpired in just a few minutes. Before I knew it there was wet chain in my hand and I knew we had only 30 more feet to go. With one more mighty effort the anchor was back aboard where it belonged, and Stu came forward with a very stout rope of sufficient length to tie a bombproof set of knots to hold it in place for the remainder of our journey. Phew!!”


One other thing not mentioned so far: it's just a quieter way to STOP the boat - no sails flogging, etc.

Re: getting underway again? We generally just gybe around, NO EXTRA TACKS are required. It's a lot quieter, too, than dropping the backed jib sheet and sheeting in again. Teaches ya'all how to gybe the main. Wouldn't do it high wind conditions, but works fine most times. Sometimes we just go downwind wing-on-wing. Soooo easy...
 
Jun 5, 2004
249
Hunter 36 Newburyport, MA
Roger

Roger -

That looks suspiciously like White Head Passage. Is it?

(When we come up from Newburyport on the way to Boothbay or Penobscot and stage at DiMillo's we use it to and from Halfway Rock.)

Fair Winds,
Al
s/v Persephone
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
That looks suspiciously like White Head Passage. Is it?
Good eye. Have you noticed that there are at least 5 face profiles in the cliffs on Cushing Island? Some of them are better than the one that used to be on the mountain in New Hampshire. You can easily hit the ledge going out if you get too interested in watching them appear and fade as your position changes.

Next time you are at Dimillo's, remember this:

http://www.rogerlongboats.com/Boats.htm#Dimillo

If I'm in town when you're here, which is unlikely during the summer now that I'm free to cruise farther, I can take you down and show you the old riveted hull preserved like a museum inside the new hull I designed.
 
Jun 5, 2004
249
Hunter 36 Newburyport, MA
I'd be most interested, Roger.

I read your account of the project, and found it amazing.

Fair Winds,
Al
s/v Persephone
 
Oct 2, 2008
3,810
Pearson/ 530 Strafford, NH
What's the big deal about tacking? I short tack up through here singlehanded all the time.
Hi Roger,
I have a question or two that you might answer about the local area. Could I send you a private message?
All U Get
 
Nov 22, 2008
3,562
Endeavour 32 Portland, Maine
I have a question or two that you might answer about the local area. Could I send you a private message?
Certainly although I perfer direct email as it's a bit less cumbersome to answer. The email link in my profile is active. One of my hats says "Harbormaster of Cape Elizabeth" on it.
 
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