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CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Right behind ya Capt Ron!

Dave in NOLA, You did not say what year C27 you were looking at although as Capt Ron points out the 'Catalina smile' is a well known and unloved feature that occurs on some of these boats. The Catalina smile is a crack that forms in the hull in the location described in the post below. Not every C27 has this unloved feature though so a good inspection of the boat by yourself AND a decent surveyor should help you decide what action to take next. Here is the link to the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors: http://www.marinesurvey.org/index2.html There are quite a few in Louisiana accredited by SAMS Here is the link for National Association of Marine Surveyors: http://www.nams-cms.org/ Also a number in your area accredited by NAMS. Some surveyors even belong to both as well as ABYC and a whole bunch of other acronyms. The more acronyms following their names the more accredited education they have. How do I know this? I was and may still be planning to join one of these organizations although it occurred to me that it might be difficult to actually make money being a surveyor. I own a 27' sailboat (a 1967 Tartan) and we have raced against a Catalina 30' that we always seems to beat us (we haven't won yet). I am not sure if it is the crew or the boat or both. I do think that a 27' of whatever brand is a good sized and manageable boat for getting back into sailing. There were lots of Catalina 27s made as well so you should be able to shop around if this is the boat for you. Good luck.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Right behind ya Capt Ron!

Dave in NOLA, You did not say what year C27 you were looking at although as Capt Ron points out the 'Catalina smile' is a well known and unloved feature that occurs on some of these boats. The Catalina smile is a crack that forms in the hull in the location described in the post below. Not every C27 has this unloved feature though so a good inspection of the boat by yourself AND a decent surveyor should help you decide what action to take next. Here is the link to the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors: http://www.marinesurvey.org/index2.html There are quite a few in Louisiana accredited by SAMS Here is the link for National Association of Marine Surveyors: http://www.nams-cms.org/ Also a number in your area accredited by NAMS. Some surveyors even belong to both as well as ABYC and a whole bunch of other acronyms. The more acronyms following their names the more accredited education they have. How do I know this? I was and may still be planning to join one of these organizations although it occurred to me that it might be difficult to actually make money being a surveyor. I own a 27' sailboat (a 1967 Tartan) and we have raced against a Catalina 30' that we always seems to beat us (we haven't won yet). I am not sure if it is the crew or the boat or both. I do think that a 27' of whatever brand is a good sized and manageable boat for getting back into sailing. There were lots of Catalina 27s made as well so you should be able to shop around if this is the boat for you. Good luck.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Right behind ya Capt Ron!

Dave in NOLA, You did not say what year C27 you were looking at although as Capt Ron points out the 'Catalina smile' is a well known and unloved feature that occurs on some of these boats. The Catalina smile is a crack that forms in the hull in the location described in the post below. Not every C27 has this unloved feature though so a good inspection of the boat by yourself AND a decent surveyor should help you decide what action to take next. Here is the link to the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors: http://www.marinesurvey.org/index2.html There are quite a few in Louisiana accredited by SAMS Here is the link for National Association of Marine Surveyors: http://www.nams-cms.org/ Also a number in your area accredited by NAMS. Some surveyors even belong to both as well as ABYC and a whole bunch of other acronyms. The more acronyms following their names the more accredited education they have. How do I know this? I was and may still be planning to join one of these organizations although it occurred to me that it might be difficult to actually make money being a surveyor. I own a 27' sailboat (a 1967 Tartan) and we have raced against a Catalina 30' that we always seems to beat us (we haven't won yet). I am not sure if it is the crew or the boat or both. I do think that a 27' of whatever brand is a good sized and manageable boat for getting back into sailing. There were lots of Catalina 27s made as well so you should be able to shop around if this is the boat for you. Good luck.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Right behind ya Capt Ron!

Dave in NOLA, You did not say what year C27 you were looking at although as Capt Ron points out the 'Catalina smile' is a well known and unloved feature that occurs on some of these boats. The Catalina smile is a crack that forms in the hull in the location described in the post below. Not every C27 has this unloved feature though so a good inspection of the boat by yourself AND a decent surveyor should help you decide what action to take next. Here is the link to the Society of Accredited Marine Surveyors: http://www.marinesurvey.org/index2.html There are quite a few in Louisiana accredited by SAMS Here is the link for National Association of Marine Surveyors: http://www.nams-cms.org/ Also a number in your area accredited by NAMS. Some surveyors even belong to both as well as ABYC and a whole bunch of other acronyms. The more acronyms following their names the more accredited education they have. How do I know this? I was and may still be planning to join one of these organizations although it occurred to me that it might be difficult to actually make money being a surveyor. I own a 27' sailboat (a 1967 Tartan) and we have raced against a Catalina 30' that we always seems to beat us (we haven't won yet). I am not sure if it is the crew or the boat or both. I do think that a 27' of whatever brand is a good sized and manageable boat for getting back into sailing. There were lots of Catalina 27s made as well so you should be able to shop around if this is the boat for you. Good luck.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Regarding finding a surveyor...

I have heard it put this way: ask the broker, marina or PO for a recommendation for a surveyor and then choose a different one.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Regarding finding a surveyor...

I have heard it put this way: ask the broker, marina or PO for a recommendation for a surveyor and then choose a different one.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Regarding finding a surveyor...

I have heard it put this way: ask the broker, marina or PO for a recommendation for a surveyor and then choose a different one.
 

CalebD

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Jun 27, 2006
1,479
Tartan 27' 1967 Nyack, NY
Regarding finding a surveyor...

I have heard it put this way: ask the broker, marina or PO for a recommendation for a surveyor and then choose a different one.
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Capt'n Ron !!! How you be?

I have had a Catalina 25 and Catalina 30 and loved both of them. The 27 is also a great boat. Keep in mind that the 25 actually feels bigger inside than the 27 and and the 25 "V" berth is definately larger. I am 5'-9 and GF is 5'-2. We fit fine in the Cat 27 but I could not fit in the 27. The 25 also has a pop top which is great while nchoring or at the dock. We had a canvas maker make us a set-up that was solid fabric that draped over the top of the raised pop-top and had screen windows on the sides. The screens would roll up from the insode and velcro together at the top. We spent about 2 years living aboard the 25. A bit crowded, but everyone has a different level of comfort that are are satisfied with. As for the Catalina smile, thats just simple caulking at the yard. Its not necessarily a problem. IMHO Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Capt'n Ron !!! How you be?

I have had a Catalina 25 and Catalina 30 and loved both of them. The 27 is also a great boat. Keep in mind that the 25 actually feels bigger inside than the 27 and and the 25 "V" berth is definately larger. I am 5'-9 and GF is 5'-2. We fit fine in the Cat 27 but I could not fit in the 27. The 25 also has a pop top which is great while nchoring or at the dock. We had a canvas maker make us a set-up that was solid fabric that draped over the top of the raised pop-top and had screen windows on the sides. The screens would roll up from the insode and velcro together at the top. We spent about 2 years living aboard the 25. A bit crowded, but everyone has a different level of comfort that are are satisfied with. As for the Catalina smile, thats just simple caulking at the yard. Its not necessarily a problem. IMHO Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Capt'n Ron !!! How you be?

I have had a Catalina 25 and Catalina 30 and loved both of them. The 27 is also a great boat. Keep in mind that the 25 actually feels bigger inside than the 27 and and the 25 "V" berth is definately larger. I am 5'-9 and GF is 5'-2. We fit fine in the Cat 27 but I could not fit in the 27. The 25 also has a pop top which is great while nchoring or at the dock. We had a canvas maker make us a set-up that was solid fabric that draped over the top of the raised pop-top and had screen windows on the sides. The screens would roll up from the insode and velcro together at the top. We spent about 2 years living aboard the 25. A bit crowded, but everyone has a different level of comfort that are are satisfied with. As for the Catalina smile, thats just simple caulking at the yard. Its not necessarily a problem. IMHO Tony B
 
Jun 12, 2004
1,181
Allied Mistress 39 Ketch Kemah,Tx.
Capt'n Ron !!! How you be?

I have had a Catalina 25 and Catalina 30 and loved both of them. The 27 is also a great boat. Keep in mind that the 25 actually feels bigger inside than the 27 and and the 25 "V" berth is definately larger. I am 5'-9 and GF is 5'-2. We fit fine in the Cat 27 but I could not fit in the 27. The 25 also has a pop top which is great while nchoring or at the dock. We had a canvas maker make us a set-up that was solid fabric that draped over the top of the raised pop-top and had screen windows on the sides. The screens would roll up from the insode and velcro together at the top. We spent about 2 years living aboard the 25. A bit crowded, but everyone has a different level of comfort that are are satisfied with. As for the Catalina smile, thats just simple caulking at the yard. Its not necessarily a problem. IMHO Tony B
 
Feb 5, 2007
73
Catalina 27 Standard Rig Point Cadet Marina, Biloxi, MS
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I owned a 74 Catalina (lost to Katrina) and now own a 83 Catalina 27. No smile on either. I've sailed smaller and larger - like in the Three Bears - this one is just right. Any boat is subject to the "whatevers" of that model. The 27 has the reputation of being a tough, durable, easy to sail all around good hull. As mentioned eariler - a good survey and understanding of the existing problems is essential.
 
Feb 5, 2007
73
Catalina 27 Standard Rig Point Cadet Marina, Biloxi, MS
2

I owned a 74 Catalina (lost to Katrina) and now own a 83 Catalina 27. No smile on either. I've sailed smaller and larger - like in the Three Bears - this one is just right. Any boat is subject to the "whatevers" of that model. The 27 has the reputation of being a tough, durable, easy to sail all around good hull. As mentioned eariler - a good survey and understanding of the existing problems is essential.
 
Feb 5, 2007
73
Catalina 27 Standard Rig Point Cadet Marina, Biloxi, MS
2

I owned a 74 Catalina (lost to Katrina) and now own a 83 Catalina 27. No smile on either. I've sailed smaller and larger - like in the Three Bears - this one is just right. Any boat is subject to the "whatevers" of that model. The 27 has the reputation of being a tough, durable, easy to sail all around good hull. As mentioned eariler - a good survey and understanding of the existing problems is essential.
 
Feb 5, 2007
73
Catalina 27 Standard Rig Point Cadet Marina, Biloxi, MS
2

I owned a 74 Catalina (lost to Katrina) and now own a 83 Catalina 27. No smile on either. I've sailed smaller and larger - like in the Three Bears - this one is just right. Any boat is subject to the "whatevers" of that model. The 27 has the reputation of being a tough, durable, easy to sail all around good hull. As mentioned eariler - a good survey and understanding of the existing problems is essential.
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
My experience

The 27 is a great boat. Not the best built boat you could buy, but it will serve you well if you are not crossing oceans or going offshore. (Actually, one did circumnavigate) I cruised one for a week on Lake Michigan and was impressed - I liked the boat. I own an offshore boat, so could be considered a tough critic. One post cautioned against a gas engine. Gas is fine if one is careful. If you are one those who will have the boat yard do everything, then I agree, gas is not for you. If you are even a little handy, gas should not be a problem. I owned gas boats for 30 years and am still here!
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
My experience

The 27 is a great boat. Not the best built boat you could buy, but it will serve you well if you are not crossing oceans or going offshore. (Actually, one did circumnavigate) I cruised one for a week on Lake Michigan and was impressed - I liked the boat. I own an offshore boat, so could be considered a tough critic. One post cautioned against a gas engine. Gas is fine if one is careful. If you are one those who will have the boat yard do everything, then I agree, gas is not for you. If you are even a little handy, gas should not be a problem. I owned gas boats for 30 years and am still here!
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
My experience

The 27 is a great boat. Not the best built boat you could buy, but it will serve you well if you are not crossing oceans or going offshore. (Actually, one did circumnavigate) I cruised one for a week on Lake Michigan and was impressed - I liked the boat. I own an offshore boat, so could be considered a tough critic. One post cautioned against a gas engine. Gas is fine if one is careful. If you are one those who will have the boat yard do everything, then I agree, gas is not for you. If you are even a little handy, gas should not be a problem. I owned gas boats for 30 years and am still here!
 

higgs

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Aug 24, 2005
3,736
Nassau 34 Olcott, NY
My experience

The 27 is a great boat. Not the best built boat you could buy, but it will serve you well if you are not crossing oceans or going offshore. (Actually, one did circumnavigate) I cruised one for a week on Lake Michigan and was impressed - I liked the boat. I own an offshore boat, so could be considered a tough critic. One post cautioned against a gas engine. Gas is fine if one is careful. If you are one those who will have the boat yard do everything, then I agree, gas is not for you. If you are even a little handy, gas should not be a problem. I owned gas boats for 30 years and am still here!
 
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