Have you noticed disruption of your GPS location?

jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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If you have been sailing in the Baltic, it appears that the GPS location data can not be trusted.

A study carried out by Polish GNSS researchers has determined that the GPS interference observed in the Baltic recently exhibits capabilities beyond commercial grade, and it appears to emanate from ships in transit - not from a fixed land-based source in Kaliningrad, as some analysts have speculated. If accurate, the apparent discovery of powerful ship-mounted transmitters would help explain the shifting pattern of GPS disruption in the region. It would also align with past reports of high-power radio equipment fitted aboard vessels in the Russian "shadow fleet."
The study monitored ground-level GPS disruption with a sensor installed at Gdynia Maritime University, 75 miles east of central Kaliningrad. It was mounted high enough for a line-of-sight radio horizon of about 20 nautical miles offshore (depending on transmitter antenna height). This is enough to reach out into the Gulf of Gdansk, but not far enough to cover the main east-west sea lanes of the central Baltic, where the vast majority of the region's traffic occurs.
Over a period of six months beginning in June 2024, the sensor picked up 84 hours of GNSS interference, including 29 hours in October alone. Events lasted for up to seven hours at a time, and caused horizontal positioning errors of up to 100 feet - enough to affect navigation in confined waterways.

Just when you thought your chart navigation skills were gone the way of the goony bird because of the wonders of GPS systems. Someone has been experimenting with spoofing the GPS satellites. Seems the thought "Trust but verify" extends to navigation, again.
 
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About a week after 911 we were sailing in Long Island Sound when (according to the GPS) we briefly exceeded 90 knots and moved about a mile, then went back. These systems are controlled by DOD and they probably can do a few things we don’t know about.
Also around that time we saw more military flights in the area.

I'm not sure I've ever used GPS, or even charts, when needing to navigate with 100' precision.
Mark
Generally in normal operation the greatest opportunity for deviation is chart indexing. The GPS is generally more accurate than older charts. So how the charts line up with actual lat/long may involve some best-guess estimating on the part of the digital chart makers.
 

Johann

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Jun 3, 2004
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I definitely got spoofed in 2003 driving near Roswell NM of all places. The GPS suddenly showed 45° off the road at around 500mph. This continued for about 30 seconds, then the position returned to the road. A few minutes later the same exact thing. All the short lived erroneous tracks I’ve seen on the water I believe are just poor reception or maybe multi path error.
 
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Generally in normal operation the greatest opportunity for deviation is chart indexing. The GPS is generally more accurate than older charts. So how the charts line up with actual lat/long may involve some best-guess estimating on the part of the digital chart makers.
Yes, quite common for the charts to be off, but the post was about the spoofing causing local GPS's to be off by 100'. While this might cause issues with commercial shipping in harbors and the like, I've never used either GPS or charts when needing to navigate to 100' precision. So spoofing at this level has little to no effect on recreational boats.

Mark
 

colemj

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I definitely got spoofed in 2003 driving near Roswell NM of all places. The GPS suddenly showed 45° off the road at around 500mph. This continued for about 30 seconds, then the position returned to the road. A few minutes later the same exact thing. All the short lived erroneous tracks I’ve seen on the water I believe are just poor reception or maybe multi path error.
There is a difference between spoofing and interference (and jamming). We were in a marina in Panama near a military base where every day at 12:30pm our GPS would jump us miles away for a minute or two. There was a large radio antenna there, which the military used at that time for broadcasting something.

Spoofing involves intentionally providing false information to receiving units. It's more likely you experienced interference or possibly jamming if the military was doing something at the time that required it.

Mark
 

Johann

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Spoofing involves intentionally providing false information to receiving units. It's more likely you experienced interference or possibly jamming if the military was doing something at the time that required it.

Mark
Jamming and interference present differently than spoofing. What I experienced was 100% spoofing. This is determined by the seeming accuracy and duration of the event. Jamming or interference would not have resulted in such a precise track and speed with no variation for such a long time, as well as multiple occurrences with the same track and speed.
 
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jssailem

SBO Weather and Forecasting Forum Jim & John
Oct 22, 2014
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The ideas of jamming/spoofing are more likely state actors than solar disruptions that occur.

I read a fictional novel about the bad guy on a cliff above the Straits of Hormuz. He protected a radio signal across the strait that caused a GPS shift of 2 miles. This affected shipping using GPS to navigate drifting across state boundaries. The outcome was as one would expect among unfriendly state actors.

I guess that such concepts need to be included in our navigational planning.

When the location seems off, it might be worth checking something other than the onboard electronics.
 
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I developed some early GPS software/firmware for use in systems that test the systems that test the guidance systems where high precision is required. So, I know a thing or two about GPS and have some familiarity with ways by which systems may be interfered.

I will say that it is unlikely that anyone here has been subject to GPS spoofing unless they happened to be very close to an area that was actively spoofed. This is done sometimes (though less than you might think) around sensitive areas in war zones around other militarily or politically sensitive zones (e.g. the Kremlin, areas of Syria, the Black Sea, contested waters around China, etc.).

Spoofing is not trivial to do and it pretty much needs to be targeted. That is, it requires a high-powered, directional antenna within line-of-sight of the targeted vessel ... or a transmitter that is very close to the targeted vessel. (It is "technically" possible to do this another way that is less targeted, but impractical. Instead, such methods rely on interference rather than spoofing. Interference is much easier to create than true spoofing.)

Software-defined radios make this cheaper to do than it used to be, but it is still rather limited in its effectiveness.

If a sailor experienced a sustained and consistent effect, it is MUCH more likely due to one of a few other causes.

1) Multipath Error: This is the most likely culprit. This is interference such as from the coastline that causes GPS signals to bounce. It would be unusual for this to produce a consistent effect, but this gets into GPS software/firmware. It is entirely possible that the GPS software simply filters out erratic signals and takes its best guess. (This is a normal function of all GPS software/firmware.) So, to the end user it looks like the GPS is confident about a consistently erroneous position but, in fact, it is simply getting slightly more erroneous signals than valid signals, and showing the user its best guess.

2) Unintentional Interference: There is a long list of things that can unintentionally interfere with the weak GPS signals, including just about anything electronic, in one way or another. I would not expect this to produce a consistent error unless the source of interference was local to the vessel. But, as unlikely is interference is to cause a consistent error, it is still more likely than a private vessel being targeted with a spoofing signal for a sustained period.

3) Intentional Interference: This is sometimes done around sensitive areas but it is very different from spoofing. It will not produce a consistent error but will, instead, produce erratic errors.

4) Receiver Issues: GPS systems are very reliable but, you have to remember that they are made by humans. The reason I developed systems that test the system that tested guidance systems is because humans make errors that can be very hard to notice because they only happen under very isolated conditions. When we design systems, naturally they work most of the time as intended because we test them under anticipated conditions. We don't, however, predict every possible situation. So, bugs get released all the time and, because they only cause problems under very specific conditions, largely go unnoticed.

5) Datum Mismatch: This used to be more common than it is today. The GPS satellite constellation and mapping data/software are not well-standardized. They are actually a hodge-podge of competing standards. This gets a bit into cause #4, above. It is entirely possible to be subject to a consistent mismatch between two competing standards. This would cause a consistent but seemingly confident error. The older the GPS receiver and/or map data, the more likely this is, as a possible cause. Also, this is more likely in certain parts of the world.

The reason that spoofing isn't done much is that it is exceptionally difficult to do and it is only effective if the target does not know they are being spoofed. And, it is very easy to know you are being spoofed. The more high-value the target, the more likely it is they will be aware of the error and be able to easily navigate by other means. It is easier to create interference which has the same end-goal, when the target knows they are being spoofed. That is, when the GPS signal is interfered with (not spoofed) the target is fully aware. So, there is rarely any benefit to true spoofing.

That said, it is now possible for an amateur to spoof GPS if they can get close enough to the target and within line of sight. And, amateurs will do this just because they can, because people suck. It doesn't have to make tactical sense. It is still not trivial, but not that difficult. I could acquire or build the requisite hardware/software to do this in a couple of days. (Though, it isn't the method I would use if I ACTUALLY wanted to cause problems.) There's probably a YouTube video that shows how to do it. Fortunately, amateur attempts will generally produce pretty unimpressive results, so such actors lose interest pretty quickly.

Most well-resourced and informed actors recognize that GPS interference/spoofing has really limited tactical or strategic effects. Some state actors do it more for psychological impact or "flexing" than anything.
 

Johann

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That said, it is now possible for an amateur to spoof GPS if they can get close enough to the target and within line of sight. And, amateurs will do this just because they can, because people suck.
Well that makes sense. I always thought I just experienced a DOD test, but it was odd that I was so close to Roswell Air Center and so far from White Sands or any other restricted area. I didn’t check the NOTAMs, just assumed. But knowing now it is within the capabilities of amateurs I think MUFON or some other “enthusiasts“ were out there messing around…
 
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