Hatch boards vents

Mar 2, 2019
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Oday 25 Milwaukee
In an effort to keep the dampness to a minimum
And reluctance to put any more holes of any type in the boat , I cane up with I consider a valid alternative. The solar panel will sit over the sliding hatch . The bottom hatch board utilizes a single 12 volt muffin fan .
The fan disconnects easily when removing the hatch boards .
Any suggestions of something I may be overlooking ? This is a standalone unit , not in any way wired to the boats electrical system . Thank you
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Apr 25, 2024
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Fuji 32 Bellingham
Why the bottom hatch board and not the top?

I will say this about cabin ventilation, in general: Most folks think only about the intake or the exhaust, but do not put much thought into the entire path of air movement. Air will follow the path of least resistance, so it is pretty easy to direct. As a result, I see a lot of fans installed that really only move a little air right around the fan area.

Assuming you are intending this fan as an exhaust fan, then this creates low pressure just inside around the fan. Where will the air come from to fill this low pressure area? Unless the hatch is pretty airtight, most of that air will be drawn in around the edges or in any vents in the boards. Very little air will move in the rest of the boat.

As far as this exact installation goes, about the only thing I would suggest is to consider putting the fan on the top board to create the potential for a smoother circulation of air in the cabin. And, installing this fan will be MUCH better than not having it. But, without being deliberate about the intake and airflow channeling, it will have limited effectiveness.
 
Mar 2, 2019
563
Oday 25 Milwaukee
Uhm .. thanks ,I think . We heat mostly with wood . There large piles of wood in the back of the yard .
If something goes wrong with a project ,I prefer it to be there ,instead of inside the boat 50 miles away.
 
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dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
Uhm .. thanks ,I think . We heat mostly with wood . There large piles of wood in the back of the yard .
If something goes wrong with a project ,I prefer it to be there ,instead of inside the boat 50 miles away.
yeah, beautiful location! I heated with wood for years, then went to anthracite, now I'm in modern heat pump land, solar panels yada yada...

dj
 
Jan 8, 2025
175
Compac 16 Pensacola, FL
I'm wondering about the fan drawing in humid atmosphere. Factor? I recently bought a Compac 16 with a bit of soaking wet Astroturf-type carpet in its cabin, and dried it in a couple days with an electric heater not much bigger than a shoebox. Wonder if heat would be more effective than an exhaust fan alone, assuming there was a way to exhaust the heated air. Still drawing in damp atmosphere but probably less likely for it to dampen things inside. But also realizing that I'd probably be very uneasy about leaving even a small heater going 24/7 on an unoccupied boat.
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I'm wondering about the fan drawing in humid atmosphere. Factor? I recently bought a Compac 16 with a bit of soaking wet Astroturf-type carpet in its cabin, and dried it in a couple days with an electric heater not much bigger than a shoebox. Wonder if heat would be more effective than an exhaust fan alone, assuming there was a way to exhaust the heated air. Still drawing in damp atmosphere but probably less likely for it to dampen things inside. But also realizing that I'd probably be very uneasy about leaving even a small heater going 24/7 on an unoccupied boat.
Another concern there would be the difference in energy draw between a small fan and a small heater..

dj
 
Mar 2, 2019
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Oday 25 Milwaukee
For the most part , our boat sits on a mooring on the western side of Lake Michigan . The water rarely warms up . Condensation is almost inevitable. The warm air comes from the west and hits the much cooler air of the lake . Sometimes in the summer the air differance is 20 degrees or more in less than a city block
 
Apr 25, 2024
333
Fuji 32 Bellingham
The problem with boats and moisture is that there is a "ratcheting" effect. That is, warm/moist air enters the boat where it cools down and condenses. If The humidity in the boat is allowed to remain high, this condensed water does not evaporate during the day when it warms up again. So, each warming and cooling cycle deposits just a little more moisture on the surface of things.

Ironically, heating the boat does not necessarily help and, uneven heating, can actually exacerbate localized issues (like up in the V-berth).

Similarly, bringing in fresh air does not necessarily help either. It can just create a situation whereby you are just introducing new moist air at a faster rate. When the conditions are hovering around dew point, that is exactly what happens. You bring in air that is near the dew point and that air comes into contact with surfaces that are slightly cooler (below dew point). The faster you bring in that air, the more efficiently you create condensation.

Since you cannot economically heat all interior surfaces to prevent this, the next best approach is to manage both temperature and humidity simultaneously.

I think it might help to lay out why condensation happens aboard and why solutions like fans or heaters often give mixed results - especially if used alone.

Every boat, especially in cool and damp climates, goes through a daily condensation cycle:
  1. Warm, moist air enters the cabin
  2. At night, interior surfaces - especially uninsulated hull or deck panels - cool rapidly.
  3. When those surfaces are below dew point of the interior air, water condenses out and clings to them.
  4. This repeats daily. Moisture checks in, but it doesn't check out - kind of a ratchet effect.
  5. When conditions are hovering right around dew point, this can happen continuously. If you are bring fresh air in and some surfaces are continuously cooling the air below the dew point. So, pumping in air is just accelerating your condensation problem, in that case.
Why just using a fan or heater often doesn't work very well:
  • Fans move air, but if you’re just circulating humid air, or bringing in more damp outside air, they don’t reduce moisture — they just spread it around.
  • Heaters, especially passive ones like small electric cabin heaters, can raise air temperature without removing moisture. This increases the dew point and can even encourage more water vapor to be absorbed into the air, which then condenses on colder surfaces.
  • Localized heating or airflow can actually concentrate the problem elsewhere — you warm the cabin but leave a cold locker untouched, and now that’s your mildew zone.
So, what actually helps?

To break the cycle, you have to control both temperature AND humidity. That means:
  • Removing moisture, not just moving it. Dehumidifiers, desiccants, or timed air exchange with drier outside air can all help — but only if the outside air is actually less humid (watch the dew point).
  • Interrupting cold surfaces. Insulation (even reflectix or foam padding in lockers) can theoretically prevent temperature dips below the dew point. In all honesty, I am not convinced the pros outweigh the cons, when discussing cabin insulation - but it is a strategy.
  • Timed heat/vent cycles work best: a short heating period to bring air and surfaces just above the dew point, followed by ventilation to remove the moist air before it cools and condenses again.
  • The key to effective ventilation is to control the flow instead of just turning on a fan and leaving it to chance. You need to plan the route for an effective exchange of air throughout all interior spaces.
If you just put an intake fan on a crib board, what will happen is you will create a high pressure area just inside the companionway. The air will take the path of least resistance. Most of the intake air will go right back out the cracks/vents around the companionway.

At minimum, you should put an intake fan at one end of the boat and an exhaust fan (or unobstructed vent) at the other. That will at least ensure that air passes all the way through the main cabin. Again, this is only part of a good anti-condensation plan, but it is better than nothing.
 
Mar 2, 2019
563
Oday 25 Milwaukee
The problem with boats and moisture is that there is a "ratcheting" effect. That is, warm/moist air enters the boat where it cools down and condenses. If The humidity in the boat is allowed to remain high, this condensed water does not evaporate during the day when it warms up again. So, each warming and cooling cycle deposits just a little more moisture on the surface of things.

Ironically, heating the boat does not necessarily help and, uneven heating, can actually exacerbate localized issues (like up in the V-berth).

Similarly, bringing in fresh air does not necessarily help either. It can just create a situation whereby you are just introducing new moist air at a faster rate. When the conditions are hovering around dew point, that is exactly what happens. You bring in air that is near the dew point and that air comes into contact with surfaces that are slightly cooler (below dew point). The faster you bring in that air, the more efficiently you create condensation.

Since you cannot economically heat all interior surfaces to prevent this, the next best approach is to manage both temperature and humidity simultaneously.

I think it might help to lay out why condensation happens aboard and why solutions like fans or heaters often give mixed results - especially if used alone.

Every boat, especially in cool and damp climates, goes through a daily condensation cycle:
  1. Warm, moist air enters the cabin
  2. At night, interior surfaces - especially uninsulated hull or deck panels - cool rapidly.
  3. When those surfaces are below dew point of the interior air, water condenses out and clings to them.
  4. This repeats daily. Moisture checks in, but it doesn't check out - kind of a ratchet effect.
  5. When conditions are hovering right around dew point, this can happen continuously. If you are bring fresh air in and some surfaces are continuously cooling the air below the dew point. So, pumping in air is just accelerating your condensation problem, in that case.
Why just using a fan or heater often doesn't work very well:
  • Fans move air, but if you’re just circulating humid air, or bringing in more damp outside air, they don’t reduce moisture — they just spread it around.
  • Heaters, especially passive ones like small electric cabin heaters, can raise air temperature without removing moisture. This increases the dew point and can even encourage more water vapor to be absorbed into the air, which then condenses on colder surfaces.
  • Localized heating or airflow can actually concentrate the problem elsewhere — you warm the cabin but leave a cold locker untouched, and now that’s your mildew zone.
So, what actually helps?

To break the cycle, you have to control both temperature AND humidity. That means:
  • Removing moisture, not just moving it. Dehumidifiers, desiccants, or timed air exchange with drier outside air can all help — but only if the outside air is actually less humid (watch the dew point).
  • Interrupting cold surfaces. Insulation (even reflectix or foam padding in lockers) can theoretically prevent temperature dips below the dew point. In all honesty, I am not convinced the pros outweigh the cons, when discussing cabin insulation - but it is a strategy.
  • Timed heat/vent cycles work best: a short heating period to bring air and surfaces just above the dew point, followed by ventilation to remove the moist air before it cools and condenses again.
  • The key to effective ventilation is to control the flow instead of just turning on a fan and leaving it to chance. You need to plan the route for an effective exchange of air throughout all interior spaces.
If you just put an intake fan on a crib board, what will happen is you will create a high pressure area just inside the companionway. The air will take the path of least resistance. Most of the intake air will go right back out the cracks/vents around the companionway.

At minimum, you should put an intake fan at one end of the boat and an exhaust fan (or unobstructed vent) at the other. That will at least ensure that air passes all the way through the main cabin. Again, this is only part of a good anti-condensation plan, but it is better than nothing.
While I understand and agree with you , the solution is slightly more difficult as our boat sits on a mooring .
The inside of our boat is lined with a very light blue outdoor carpet . This keeps the boat much warmer and quieter .
Should we move to a slip , I would most assuredly mount fans pulling air in and pushing air out .
 
Apr 25, 2024
333
Fuji 32 Bellingham
While I understand and agree with you , the solution is slightly more difficult as our boat sits on a mooring . The inside of our boat is lined with a very light blue outdoor carpet .
The carpet does create a moisture trap that increases the challenge. But, being on a mooring does not change things. You still need to move the air through the boat - especially with this moisture trap. When temperatures warm up, the air inside will remove some of that moisture from surfaces. If you do not expel that air, then when the temperature drops below dew point again, it will just re-condense.

And, by installing a single fan, you are just ensuring that additional moisture is introduced into the cabin, with no efficient means of escaping. You can improve on that by at least opening a vent at the other end of the boat. On my previous boat, we found it sufficient to leave the forward hatch open slightly so air could move through it, but rain would not. Combined with the vent slots in the crib boards, this created a passive air flow through the cabin. This, combined with a heater was enough to keep that boat pretty dry, all winter, so long as we reduced moisture traps (like by turning the vinyl cushions on their sides).

My current boat requires a little more engineering, since there are a lot more areas in which it is hard to create air flow. But, I don't think your boat has those challenges.
 
Mar 2, 2019
563
Oday 25 Milwaukee
My point concerning being on a mooring was that ,there is not a constant supply of 120 volt to keep a heater ,or more than one fan .
I'm considering a passive vent on a vertical suface in the cockpit, or the hatch over the v berth. I'm grateful for the time and thoughtful repsponse .
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
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Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
My point concerning being on a mooring was that ,there is not a constant supply of 120 volt to keep a heater ,or more than one fan .
I'm considering a passive vent on a vertical suface in the cockpit, or the hatch over the v berth. I'm grateful for the time and thoughtful repsponse .
What direction is the fan going on the hatch boards? Sucking out or pushing in? You will get better results sucking out.

dj
 
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Mar 2, 2019
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Oday 25 Milwaukee
I was thinking exhausting out .
The whole reason I even started down this path was to keep condenstion to a minimum .
I've researched the circular solar powered exhaust fans that many folks have cut holes in their boat ,
only to find out the fans stop working within a year.
If I crawl down under the cockpit seat into the rear of the boat where the carpet is not ,
very often there is significant condensation that stops right at the water line .
There is less as the summer progresses .. The average depth of the mooring field is 9 feet or so , and is behind a breakwater which helps .
 

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Oct 14, 2023
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Stuart (ODay) Mariner 19 Yeopim Creek
I put in a passive exhaust vent in place of the "circular solar powered exhaust fan" when the battery bit the dust (normal cause of failure). It doesn't move as much air as a fan, but it works year in and year out whenever there is a breeze. Normally, the batteries in the solar fan give up after a year or two. The 1st year, works fine. 2nd year fan only runs when there is direct sun on it. 3rd year, zilch.

Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 #4133 Sweet P
 

dLj

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Mar 23, 2017
4,232
Belliure 41 Back in the Chesapeake
I put in a passive exhaust vent in place of the "circular solar powered exhaust fan" when the battery bit the dust (normal cause of failure). It doesn't move as much air as a fan, but it works year in and year out whenever there is a breeze. Normally, the batteries in the solar fan give up after a year or two. The 1st year, works fine. 2nd year fan only runs when there is direct sun on it. 3rd year, zilch.

Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 #4133 Sweet P
That's in interesting observation. I've heard it before and has been the reason I've never put one of those solar powered fans in my boat.

Looking at the setup shown here, I'm not sure it's quite the same but definitely something to think about

dj
 
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Mar 2, 2019
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pgandw , your experiance and many other reviewers of the solar powered vents was the reason I thought this might be a viable option
 
Sep 24, 2018
3,271
Catalina 30 MKIII Chicago
I had some solar vents that pretty much solved the humidity issues. I also installed some passive vents in the under seat storage. If you do the latter, note that the floor is sloped but the trim at the top is straight so aligning the front to the back vents might be a bit tough
 
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Oct 14, 2023
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Stuart (ODay) Mariner 19 Yeopim Creek
This is the "mush
Might I ask, what does your "passive exhaust vent" look like?
Not very different from a mushroom ventilator. Beckson Vent-O-Mate Ventilator. Here is a picture from Defender Marine:
vent-o-mate-ventilator-c-6ss.jpg

Had to enlarge hole in deck very slightly to replace the solar ventilator. I bought the stainless steel version figuring it would hold up better to the UV, and if stepped on.

Fred W
Stuart Mariner 19 #4133 Sweet P
 
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