Hank on storm sail used over a furled jib

stickinthemud57 · Nov 27, 2023

I would think a long sleeve made from Dacron or Nylon cloth might work, whatever diameter would easily fit around your jib and as long the leech of the sail. It would essentially be a long rectangle with grommets along the long edges. Once wrapped around the furled foresail, you would use your soft shackles to attach each luff grommet through the grommets on the sleeve.

If you want to use the hanks just run a short loop of rope through the sleeve grommets.

Tally Ho · Nov 27, 2023

That is how the ATN storm jib is set up…Hank over the furled headsail.

The Gale Sail | Easy Handling Storm Jib | ATN Sailing Equipment

Patented sail is the safest and easiest way to hoist a storm jib in storm conditions. Hoist storm jib over roller furled sail in safety.

www.atninc.com

But I do wonder how hard it would be to raise it, in a storm.

Greg

rgranger · Nov 27, 2023

What about adding a Solent stay?

Svsarah.com

www.svsarah.com

Stu Jackson · Nov 27, 2023

Do you have one of these?

...It can be hoisted with the spinnaker halyard or spare jib halyard.

Will Gilmore · Nov 27, 2023

Stu Jackson said:
Do you have one of these?

...It can be hoisted with the spinnaker halyard or spare jib halyard.

That's what I was thinking too. If you think your storm jib needs the support of a stay along the luff, perhaps a sailmaker can add a reinforced bolt rope.

-Will

stickinthemud57 · Nov 28, 2023

NYSail said:
That’s it…… maybe ask my sailmaker for a piece and have the wife do some sewing.

I recently sewed a dousing sock for my new drifter with our household sewing machine (thanks to the tutelage of my lovely and patient wife). Looking at the construction of the Gail Sail system, it definitely looks like a job for a sailmaker or someone with a heavy-duty sewing machine and the skill and knowledge to use it.

dlochner · Nov 28, 2023

rgranger said:
What about adding a Solent stay?

Svsarah.com

www.svsarah.com

There is a lot of engineering that needs to be done for the solent stay. The deck fitting needs to be tied to a structural bulkhead not just a pad eye on deck. This is complicated because the optimal location for a solent stay is typically not near a bulkhead and it is located over the V-berth. The link you provided recognizes this and places the solent stay fitting near the aft end of the anchor well and notes the anchor well bulkhead will need to be heavily. reinforced to accept the load. Going with the ATN approach will be easier and less expensive for a sail that will be seldom used.

The other issue with a solent stay is stowing it. When it is installed there is a very small gap for the Genoa to go through when tacking. Because it is longer than the I dimension it can not be brought back to the mast, it must be stowed off to the side.

jssailem · Nov 28, 2023

I’m a simple sailor. Priority- have a storm sail to keep sailing when weather gets extreme.

If I’m in extreme wind conditions, on a sloop rigged boat, that are beyond using a tightly wrapped small piece of furled Genoa, I’m going to pull the Genoa rather than leave it up to create windage and possibly unwrap.

If I now need to use a storm sail, I have a free slot in the furler extrusion. This means I can further trim the storm sail to balance the boat. To make that work with an old sail, I just take out the hanks and have the loft install a 6mm luff line to match the furler extrusion.

This would cover the rare condition that weather out smarted me and caught me at sea when I should be in harbor.

I think if you’re going to be testing your sailing skills in bad weather conditions you should have a boat and rig designed to sail in such conditions. For example a cutter rigged boat which gives you the structure designed to raise a small storm sail close to the mast.

Should a sudden storm pop up, rather that play on deck with a storm sail, I would much prefer to hove-to and wait the storm out. Alternatively, my auxiliary engine gives me another option to seek safe harbor under bare poles.

jssailem · Nov 28, 2023

As an addendum to my post, the more bulk you add to the forestay the less performance you receive from the attached foresail. If your hoisting a storm sail on the forestay the intention is to raise a sail that will help balance the severely reefed main that is causing weather helm. Perhaps all other options have failed and you are trying to claw your way off a lee shore. Unless the luff has a clean entrance to the breeze (I.e. shroud and hanked on sail) the sail will have a disturbed wind flow. The sail is so small that at high wind speeds the sail could be more drag than lift.

Stu Jackson · Nov 28, 2023

NYSail said:
No link or picture……

The question was simple: do you have a "spinnaker halyard or spare jib halyard.?"

BarryL · Nov 28, 2023

Hi,

My boat came with the ATN Gale Sail

The Gale Sail | Easy Handling Storm Jib | ATN Sailing Equipment

Patented sail is the safest and easiest way to hoist a storm jib in storm conditions. Hoist storm jib over roller furled sail in safety.

atninc.com

I saw it on the boat, thought "that looks interesting," put in my basement, and that's where it's been ever since (3 seasons of sailing). I just don't see a scenario where *I* would use it.

I do a lot of day sailing, a lot of beer can racing, some distance racing, and some coastal cruising (for 1 - 2 weeks).

About the only scenario where I would use the gale sail is during a long distance race where the weather is significantly worse than forecast. My boat also came with a very nice #3 jib. When racing with a full crew we can (and have) lowered the #1 genoa and raised the #3. I'm not going to lie, that is not a simple or fun maneuver, but with sufficient crew and motivation we just do it. So if conditions are bad enough to require the #3, and then get worse, I'll probably just roll up the #3 and sail bareheaded. Perhaps if I didn't have a #3 jib I would use the gale sail.

During any cruising there is no way I'm going on the foredeck to raise the gale sail, when I can just furl the headsail (part way, or completely) and motorsail if I have too.

Barry

rgranger · Nov 28, 2023

Stu Jackson said:
The question was simple: do you have a "spinnaker halyard or spare jib halyard.?"

Right! Use the halyard as the stay. Easy peasy! This seems like the best approach... and if stretch is a problem, make your spare halyard out of a stretch resistant line.

stickinthemud57 · Nov 28, 2023

rgranger said:
Right! Use the halyard as the stay. Easy peasy! This seems like the best approach... and if stretch is a problem, make your spare halyard out of a stretch resistant line.

That definitely would be the most simple thing. When I ordered my drifter I specified a rope luff so it could withstand the tension. It seems to me that the storm jib would need similar reinforcement.

dlochner · Nov 28, 2023

NYSail said:
just trying to figure options for possibly using a sail that is just sitting here doing nothing.

Sail across the North Atlantic in November.

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