Hank on Storm Jib rigging question

[Kestle]

I bought a storm jib, that is hank on and therefore won't work on my furler. I'm considering mounting a baby stay one foot back of the forestay (measured from a point perpendicular to the forestay.

To tack I would either just roll up the 150 genny, come around and bring it back out, or have the baby stay strung from a halyard and mount a third halyard to handle the sail and just bring the storm jib back to the cockpit or down with a downhaul.

The primary purpose is to avoid needing do go on deck when soloing.

Anything this idiot missed, either in the one foot back or general idea?

Jeff

 

[Hollyweirdos]

What about another forestay mounted just a couple inches in front of the furling one? Then you could just check the weather and decide to hank or use the 150 before you get out.

 

[THECUSCUS]

Its certainly going to be a PITA to furl the 150 in everytime you tack. You can always just roll the 150 up partially when the wind is too much. The Mac 25 is a fractional rig, where the main is the power. I found that by reefing the main, I can let the genoa alone (now I'm not talking 30+ here). Or just rollup the 150 and sail on main alone.

 

[Sumner]

Its certainly going to be a PITA to furl the 150 in everytime you tack. You can always just roll the 150 up partially when the wind is too much. The Mac 25 is a fractional rig, where the main is the power. I found that by reefing the main, I can let the genoa alone (now I'm not talking 30+ here). Or just rollup the 150 and sail on main alone.

What you are saying is what Martin who made our sails said also. He said that in heavier winds, not hurricane strength, with the Endeavour we can sail mainly on the masthead genoa.

Like you, he said that in heavier winds with the Mac it is just the opposite that we should reef the main and sail on it alone. We need to try this more to see if it works for us.

When I added the furler and the....

..... anchor rollers I raised the forestay on the mast some for the furler with a second set of hounds and left the original hounds below the new ones with the original forestay attached to them.

I added a bracket...

...to the anchor rollers and can attach the original forestay to it just aft of the roller. If we want to (haven't done it yet) we can pull the original forestay away from the base of the mast where it is bungee down and attach it to the bracket and use the jib halyard (not used by the CDI furler) to use one of our old hank-on sails or a storm sail. We don't have a storm sail at this point, but hope to make or buy one.

There is more on the above here...

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/macgregor2/rigging-17.html

You could put a pad eye, that is strong enough and reinforced on the deck behind the furler and get another set of hounds and do about the same if you wanted.

I want to try at some point running with two head sails out,

Sum

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[MrBill_FLL]

many times in the winter I sail with only a reefed main. tacking is harder, & easier to get in irons. but once you are moving, no problem.

if I wanted a second front stay, I'd use some low stretch line, like spectra and have it next to the mast. (or wire and a spectra pigtail on the bottom), until I needed, and a pad and eye a few inches back between the furler, and bow cleat. (is this jib a 110? or a real storm jib... what is the foot length?)

you would want it to clear the mast...

http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/ftldiver2/MACGREGOR/?action=view&current=sail2.jpg


http://www.secondwindsails.com/measurement.php

 

[timebandit]

It might be difficult to to move the sail through such a small slot when tacking, best to put the say behind.

What about another forestay mounted just a couple inches in front of the furling one? Then you could just check the weather and decide to hank or use the 150 before you get out.

 

[tkanzler]

What about using the spinnaker halyard, assuming there is one, and rigging the storm sail with low-stretch such that it's essentially permanently attached to the 'forestay', sort of like how an asymmetrical with a sock is rigged - sort of. You can even use the tack line, either as the bottom terminus, or to tighten the luff of the storm sail with the spin halyard acting as the forestay and halyard only.

Never tried it, and never owned a storm sail for either side of the mast, but it's what comes to mind for a small, temporary sail arrangement.

Or just furl that headsail down to hanky size.

 

[Kestle]

many times in the winter I sail with only a reefed main. tacking is harder, & easier to get in irons. but once you are moving, no problem.

if I wanted a second front stay, I'd use some low stretch line, like spectra and have it next to the mast. (or wire and a spectra pigtail on the bottom), until I needed, and a pad and eye a few inches back between the furler, and bow cleat. (is this jib a 110? or a real storm jib... what is the foot length?)

you would want it to clear the mast...

http://s64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/ftldiver2/MACGREGOR/?action=view&current=sail2.jpg

http://www.secondwindsails.com/measurement.php

That is the sail I think (the photo s hard to see). My question is partially a turbulence question...how far behind the rolled up sail do I need to be? Most of my trips are long tacks too.

Best - Jeff

 

[Kestle]

What about using the spinnaker halyard, assuming there is one, and rigging the storm sail with low-stretch such that it's essentially permanently attached to the 'forestay', sort of like how an asymmetrical with a sock is rigged - sort of. You can even use the tack line, either as the bottom terminus, or to tighten the luff of the storm sail with the spin halyard acting as the forestay and halyard only.

Never tried it, and never owned a storm sail for either side of the mast, but it's what comes to mind for a small, temporary sail arrangement.

Or just furl that headsail down to hanky size.

Mostly furled sail has a crappy shape. This is usually the case once you bring it in a bunch.

Jeff

 

[MrBill_FLL]

IIRC, the stock jib is a 110. you'd do about the same with a furled genoa, IMHO.

its really too big for a storm jib... but if you just wanted a backup, I'd mount a pad between the chainplate and the center bow cleat. you could probably use the bow cleat, but theres not much stock backing... and you're pulling on the deck... which may not be so secured to the hull.

personally, I'd sell the sail, and go with what you have.

if you really want, add another main reef point.

when its blowing over 25knts, its no longer about making time, its about keeping the boat on its feet. you'll have plenty of speed. and I can go to weather ok on the reefed main.

(do you have an improved rudder?)

 

[Kestle]

IIRC, the stock jib is a 110. you'd do about the same with a furled genoa, IMHO.

its really too big for a storm jib... but if you just wanted a backup, I'd mount a pad between the chainplate and the center bow cleat. you could probably use the bow cleat, but theres not much stock backing... and you're pulling on the deck... which may not be so secured to the hull.

personally, I'd sell the sail, and go with what you have.

if you really want, add another main reef point.

when its blowing over 25knts, its no longer about making time, its about keeping the boat on its feet. you'll have plenty of speed. and I can go to weather ok on the reefed main.

(do you have an improved rudder?)

The jib is a 65%.

Jeff

 

[Kestle]

The jib is a 65%.

Jeff

I like your cleat idea...I was going to reinforce it and change to stainless anyway, so I can kill two birds and see how she sails. I think it will clear the furler drum and be relatively parallel to the genoa/forestay.

Jeff