halyards..

roy

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Feb 1, 2009
186
2 270 soldiers point
On these vegas, if you want to change out the wire/rope halyards to all rope, do the sheaves have to be changed out too or are they compatible?
Roy

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Apr 28, 2000
691
Aloha Roy,

The aluminum sheaves that are original to the Vega will work with 3/8
inch rope halyards and I used them that way for several years on short
trips and daysailing but they have a "V" shaped groove designed to
accomodate the wire/rope setup. I recently changed my sheaves to "U"
shaped grooved delrin wheels with oilite bushings. Much smoother and
quieter operating and should chafe the rope much less for longer
halyard life. In any case, the mate is much happier with the new
setup and finds it easier to hoist sails. For more info on our
re-rigging see Refitting Lealea after sailing across the Pacific

Malie ke kai,

Chuck Rose
SV lealea, V1860
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Chuck,
On those windows you did..
Are those frames just cut from stainless sheet stock?
Is polycabonate the same as lexan?
Roy
ps. very attractive job.
 
Oct 19, 2019
921
Albin Vega 27 Limerick
Hi Roy,
why not just re-splice?

I haven't had to do this yet but the splices are starting to fray so
will have to do soon.
I know that splicing wire to rope is a bit more work than standard rope
splicing but it has to be more fun than cleaning out exhaust manifolds
etc... :)

John

V 1447 Breakawaygroundhog wrote:
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
I've change many Vegas running rigging and have always used 10mm Braid on Braid pre-stretched polester. Never had a problem with sheaves and all still going strong....

Steve B
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Thanks for the info Steve.

John,

FYI, this is what I am reading about halyards..

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Why you need low stretch..
"If your halyards stretch, the sail starts to bag in strong wind conditions, which will exert more force against the halyards, and stretch them more than would light wind conditions, it will be more difficult to keep the sails flat and de-power them. In the same conditions, if the sheets start to stretch... you won't even notice more likely than not."

The reason they used wire/rope for halyards is because halyards need very low stretch. The old rope would stretch too much.

Nowadays, the new expensive ropes have very low stretch, similar or less than wire.

People are switching to all rope halyards because it is simpler and easier to make and work with. No problems at the wire/rope transition. And, if you are ever in trouble, you can cut your own halyard and put a new one up more easily if it is totally rope. If it is rope/wire, you may need a specific part stored on the boat as a spare.

The sheaves sometimes need to be replaced. For wire, they have a V groove. For rope, the pulley needs a U shaped groove. Also, the wire can cause scars in the pulley over time which can cause quick wear in the new rope.

Less weight aloft with the lighter rope vs wire.
***

Hope that was interesting.
Doesn't seem to be an extremely high priority issue. You can use wire/rope halyards still with good results.

Roy
 
Apr 28, 2000
691
Roy,

There are no frames. Following the recommendations and with the help
of the PT Shipwrights Co-op, we cut the new windows from 3/8 inch
polycarbonate sheet (Lexan is a brand name. The stuff we used was
imported from Germany). The new windows were cut one inch larger than
the holes and secured with 68 #10 machine screws with washers inside
and out and nylock nuts on the inside. I drilled a lot of holes that
day. We ran a bead of white Sikaflex around the hole, enough to just
squeeze a little out both inside and out, then carefully mounted the
window. Then we went aroung the edge of the window with a wet finger
to smooth the sealant and remove the excess; a trick the shipwright
showed us. We waited for the sealant to cure before tightening the
screws.

I was worried about how it would look without a frame but it turned
out fine as you can see in the photos.

Chuck
 
Oct 30, 2019
60
I recently replaced a main halyard sheave on an Alberg 30, which was also originally set up for a wire-rope halyard. I had a new delrin sheave made up by Ed Louchard of Zephyrwerks in Port Townsend, WA. Making sheaves are his specialty. He made a beautiful replacement sheave at a reasonable price, I'd recommend his work highly. Check his site out at Zephyrwerks - The Sheave Factory

Bill
V1390 "Traveler"
 
Oct 30, 2019
60
Hi Brian,
Just sold A-30 #116 this fall, and previously owned another a few years back - I think it was #168... I recognized your name from the Alberg list! I enjoy refitting older classics, and have also done a Contessa 26 and a Voyager 26 double-ender in the last couple years. Just bought my Vega at an auction this past November...
Bill
V1390 "Traveler"
 
Oct 30, 2019
1,459
I've been thinking about new all-rope halyards for a while, too. I
should have replaced the sheaves when I had the boat at home, but
there came a point when it was time to stop 'improving' and go
sailing.

Does anyone know the exact sizes of the sheaves? From my photos I see
there are 4 of them: 2 on the forward side and 2 on the back side of
the mast. Also, are they all the same size?

I have to go up and adjust the windex, so maybe it's a good time to
change them.

Peter
#1331 'Sin Tacha'
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
The sheaves are all the same. Whenever I have changed the running rigging I have never changed the sheaves. Using 10mm Braid on Braid (Pre-stretched) has proved successful everytime.. Just make sure you feed a thin line through instead of the existing halyards then use these as a "mouse" to pull the new halyards through.

I use the following lengths

Main Halyard = 20 metres (10mm)
Genoa Halyard = 23 metres (10mm)
Spinnaker Halyard = 24/25 metres (8mm)
Topping lift = 24 /25 metres (6mm)
Mainsheet = 18 metres (10mm)

Hope this helps. All lengths for at the mast operation and not led back to the cockpit.

Cheers

Steve B
 
May 30, 2006
1,075
Sorry Bill.
I just realised that I repeated your post. I thought I read about the sheaves somewhere else on the net and was repeating it here to be of help. Oh well..
rb
 
Nov 8, 2001
1,818
Hi All

Thinking of compilling a worldwide Vega Database, I know most of the UK Based Vegas but would appreciate any input, ideas etc on the format the Database should take.

Cheers in anticipation

Steve B
 
Aug 31, 2007
27
Hi Steve,

Great idea.
Google Earth is maybe not the best format for a database, but it
could be cool if part of the database could be exported into
placemarks.
It should also have a Web interface, and I think most web hotels
offer MySQL or MS SQL database servers.

Cheers
Ulf
 
Feb 4, 2006
22
Hi All,
Steve, I think this is really a fine idea.
I would do it in a Filemaker Database,
put name, adress etc, then owner of Vega since, Vega no, mail
etc,member of club in, eventualy technical or other knowleges of the
owner, if possible equippement of his Vega like : motor, sails,
électronicals, duble ruther, or any else.
I might be able to help you with the soft and its preparation. Regards
Th. Kummer - architecte EPFL - Orny - 1372 Bavois
tel: 021 866 74 23 - fax: 021 866 61 49
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Le 18 janv. 08 à 02:14, pjacobs55 a écrit :
 
Oct 30, 2019
80
Hi Steve

Great idea. How about a tick box for skippers willing to take visiting
Vega owners out for a sail?
When you say 'Database' do you intend to use a Database Programme to
record all the details? If so may I suggest using a Freeware version
('Base' in 'Open Office' perhaps)or maybe MS Excel if you have it
available.

Cheers

David
V1696 in Sunny Cyprus