What diameter are the halyards supposed to be on the H23. I measured mine for replacement and it seems the jib halyard is 7/16 but the main is only 3/8". Also is it worth buying the kit with shackles attached or just get the line and tie on the shackles? Thanks
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Kits, but cheep kits.
Mike, 3/8 is a better fit for the sleeves but 7/16 will give you slightly better grip. You can choose, both will work. I went with 7/16. I bought the cheep (>$50) kits last time and found them to be good quality. They won't last as long as the high price spread but I change every 2 years any way. I did have to change out the main shackle as the kit came with snaps and I wanted a horse shoe on the main. (no biggie). Greg H23 Faster-
Mike, 3/8 is a better fit for the sleeves but 7/16 will give you slightly better grip. You can choose, both will work. I went with 7/16. I bought the cheep (>$50) kits last time and found them to be good quality. They won't last as long as the high price spread but I change every 2 years any way. I did have to change out the main shackle as the kit came with snaps and I wanted a horse shoe on the main. (no biggie). Greg H23 Faster-
Defender & West
Mike, Both have the cheep halyards. You have to use the catalog index as they are away from the good stuff. I wonder why?
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Mike, Both have the cheep halyards. You have to use the catalog index as they are away from the good stuff. I wonder why?
Greg H23 Faster-Ok, West doesn't carry any more, but Defender
still does. Page 297 of current catalog. P/n 612182 for 80' 5/16 with shackle is 48.95 (enough for halyard & mainsheet) p/n 612183 for 80' 3/8 with shackle is 59.79 (enough for halyard & mainsheet) p/n 612184 for 100' 7/16 with shackle is 83.28 (enough for both halyards) Greg
still does. Page 297 of current catalog. P/n 612182 for 80' 5/16 with shackle is 48.95 (enough for halyard & mainsheet) p/n 612183 for 80' 3/8 with shackle is 59.79 (enough for halyard & mainsheet) p/n 612184 for 100' 7/16 with shackle is 83.28 (enough for both halyards) Greg
West doesn't - part 2
According to my records, I went with the 3/8. 1 kit for main and 1 for jib. They are both long enough to bring into cockpit if desired. You can get a general size reference from a picture I posted in photo forum titled " Lazyjacks stowed..". West did carry these in their previous cat. I hate it when suppliers start dropping anything that's not a top seller each year. To much Dept store infulence and not enough hardware store influence. Gee, mabe if they work real hard at it, they can become just another Land's End wanabe. (Can you tell I'n tired?)
According to my records, I went with the 3/8. 1 kit for main and 1 for jib. They are both long enough to bring into cockpit if desired. You can get a general size reference from a picture I posted in photo forum titled " Lazyjacks stowed..". West did carry these in their previous cat. I hate it when suppliers start dropping anything that's not a top seller each year. To much Dept store infulence and not enough hardware store influence. Gee, mabe if they work real hard at it, they can become just another Land's End wanabe. (Can you tell I'n tired?)
thanx
Thanks Greg for your input.........I looked at your pics. Some interesting modifications. I'm thinking of using shock cord at the bottom of my lazy jacks to allow them to drop automatically with the boom. Where do you sail?
Thanks Greg for your input.........I looked at your pics. Some interesting modifications. I'm thinking of using shock cord at the bottom of my lazy jacks to allow them to drop automatically with the boom. Where do you sail?
Lazy Jacks.....
Mike, My LJ's are off the shelf Scharfer. The installation called for end of boom storage to allow the sail cover to fit without modification. Sence the biggest pain-in-the-ass factor with LJ's is snagging of the headboard and battens at the mast attachment point when you're raising the main, I moved the storage point to the reefing hooks and the problem went away. The Scharfer system is a single line system at the bottom with a cleat on the boom to allow you to feed extra line for storage. They really need to be very slack to not interfere with the sail when under way and tight when lowering the sail. The kit is expensive but given the hardware and line involved it almost reasonable. And, when it arrived, there were 3 (!) kits in the box so that brought the unit price down a-bit (I sent the other 2 back - what the hell's the matter with me!). My only concern with using bungee is it's sensitivity to UV. As I understand it, the sun really eats that stuff and this is Dallas after all. We used to get A LOT of sun here. It's been raining for the last ten days straight (10+ inches so far) so maybe that's changed. We live in the Dallas Tx area. In a small lake side community (Chandlers Landing)east of Dallas in the city of Rockwall. I keep our boat on Lake Ray Hubbard. It's about 22,000 acres so it's just day-sailing for us. Greg H23 Faster-
Mike, My LJ's are off the shelf Scharfer. The installation called for end of boom storage to allow the sail cover to fit without modification. Sence the biggest pain-in-the-ass factor with LJ's is snagging of the headboard and battens at the mast attachment point when you're raising the main, I moved the storage point to the reefing hooks and the problem went away. The Scharfer system is a single line system at the bottom with a cleat on the boom to allow you to feed extra line for storage. They really need to be very slack to not interfere with the sail when under way and tight when lowering the sail. The kit is expensive but given the hardware and line involved it almost reasonable. And, when it arrived, there were 3 (!) kits in the box so that brought the unit price down a-bit (I sent the other 2 back - what the hell's the matter with me!). My only concern with using bungee is it's sensitivity to UV. As I understand it, the sun really eats that stuff and this is Dallas after all. We used to get A LOT of sun here. It's been raining for the last ten days straight (10+ inches so far) so maybe that's changed. We live in the Dallas Tx area. In a small lake side community (Chandlers Landing)east of Dallas in the city of Rockwall. I keep our boat on Lake Ray Hubbard. It's about 22,000 acres so it's just day-sailing for us. Greg H23 Faster-
Get the sunblock out
I read in SAIL a few months back that sunblock works well on preserving bungees from the ravages of the sun. Don't take my word for it, just try it yourself. I don't have any bungees on board, otherwise I would have checked myself. Peter
I read in SAIL a few months back that sunblock works well on preserving bungees from the ravages of the sun. Don't take my word for it, just try it yourself. I don't have any bungees on board, otherwise I would have checked myself. Peter
Peter, Sunblock is also...
...good for the car dashboard. Works much better than armor-all or similar products. Keeps it looking new and shiny.
...good for the car dashboard. Works much better than armor-all or similar products. Keeps it looking new and shiny.
bungees
I went ahead and put shock cord on my lazy jacks forming an inverted V connecting the boom to a line leading from the spreaders. So far I like the idea very well. The cord is about 12 feet long so gives me plenty of elasticity to allow the boom to drop automatically when the topping lift is let off, yet stiff enough to hold the sail in place when it drops. If the sun becomes a problem over time, the shock cord can easily be replaced.
I went ahead and put shock cord on my lazy jacks forming an inverted V connecting the boom to a line leading from the spreaders. So far I like the idea very well. The cord is about 12 feet long so gives me plenty of elasticity to allow the boom to drop automatically when the topping lift is let off, yet stiff enough to hold the sail in place when it drops. If the sun becomes a problem over time, the shock cord can easily be replaced.
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