I'm a novice sailor with a 1977 C22, and I have a question about the rig. As found, the jib halyard is on the port side, and the main halyard is on the starboard side. I read somewhere that this configuration is standard. So far, so good. The problem is, mine came with a winch on the mast (I don't think it's original, since it's a different brand from my jib sheet winches), and this winch is located on the port side. It's only useful for the main halyard, but to use it for the main requires crossing the lines. What's wrong with this picture? Should I reverse the halyards next time I have the mast down? Are the lines supposed to be crossed?
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Dave
Halyard Winch
I didn't quite understand your comment that the winch is only useful for the main halyard, but I'm going ahead anyway. I wouldn't change anything. The winch is most useful for the jib halyard. Except for the backstay it's the only thing you've got to tighten the jib leach. You've got several other ways to tension the main leach, the cunningham and the boom downhaul. Sail for a while with the controls you've got and then you'll better know what needs to be added or changed, but i'd leave the jib halyard on the port side.
I didn't quite understand your comment that the winch is only useful for the main halyard, but I'm going ahead anyway. I wouldn't change anything. The winch is most useful for the jib halyard. Except for the backstay it's the only thing you've got to tighten the jib leach. You've got several other ways to tension the main leach, the cunningham and the boom downhaul. Sail for a while with the controls you've got and then you'll better know what needs to be added or changed, but i'd leave the jib halyard on the port side.
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Will do, but....
...the reason I thought the winch was meant for the main halyard is that the main is the sail that is difficult to raise without it. I hadn't really thought of using it to tighten the jib leech to improve performance, since that sail seemed to be pretty tight just from hauling on the halyard. I will leave things in place, just as you say, at least until I figure out how I'm going to lead my lines aft. Thanks for the input! BTW--What's a "cunningham"?
...the reason I thought the winch was meant for the main halyard is that the main is the sail that is difficult to raise without it. I hadn't really thought of using it to tighten the jib leech to improve performance, since that sail seemed to be pretty tight just from hauling on the halyard. I will leave things in place, just as you say, at least until I figure out how I'm going to lead my lines aft. Thanks for the input! BTW--What's a "cunningham"?
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Campy
Halyard
My 12 and 14 year old daughters (100 pounds each) haul the main and genoa without winches. The only winches I've got are for the head sail (Jib/Genoa) sheets, and we have never used the wrench. Sailed in flat no wind days and 25 mile an hour wind "should have been home" days. C-22 Hull #2226 "Windsocket"
My 12 and 14 year old daughters (100 pounds each) haul the main and genoa without winches. The only winches I've got are for the head sail (Jib/Genoa) sheets, and we have never used the wrench. Sailed in flat no wind days and 25 mile an hour wind "should have been home" days. C-22 Hull #2226 "Windsocket"
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Rick Rose
Winches
I've never had cause to use the sheet winches, either, and I've been out in 20-plus-knot weather as well. Does anybody use those things? As for the halyard winch, I have resorted to it to raise the mainsail the last few feet. I think some lubrication might be in order.
I've never had cause to use the sheet winches, either, and I've been out in 20-plus-knot weather as well. Does anybody use those things? As for the halyard winch, I have resorted to it to raise the mainsail the last few feet. I think some lubrication might be in order.
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Joerg K
Lubrication
This spring I had my genoa repaired, by a "sage" who appears to be the ultimate source of knowledge. he tells me NOT to use lubrication because it invariably will stain the sails over time - even "dry" graphite spray contains an oily medium. I wonder what you guys think about this, and what people use to facilitate raising sails.
This spring I had my genoa repaired, by a "sage" who appears to be the ultimate source of knowledge. he tells me NOT to use lubrication because it invariably will stain the sails over time - even "dry" graphite spray contains an oily medium. I wonder what you guys think about this, and what people use to facilitate raising sails.
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Campy
Lubrication
Clean the mast and mainsail groove real well with a 3M abrasive pad wadded up and run up and down the length of it, then blow the whole length clean with a pressure washer. Windsocket's been working like a champ. Campy
Clean the mast and mainsail groove real well with a 3M abrasive pad wadded up and run up and down the length of it, then blow the whole length clean with a pressure washer. Windsocket's been working like a champ. Campy
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Scott
Cunningham and halyards
I've got a 1979 Cat...no winches for halyards, no roller furling, in fact, pretty much nothing. Agree with the earlier comments about the mast slide - since the Cats aren't so big to need trucks and what not on the main, it's just the sail's bolt rope along the luff and the main sail track. Perhaps during the off season take a look at the blocks at the top of the mast? They may be the source of extra friction on the halyard, not the sail and mast themselves. My jib came with its own leech line built into the sail, so I've had no need to use the halyard for that job. Plus I solo my boat (without any solo control features yet) - so sometimes I'm just plain happy to have the damn thing up and still be afloat. Finally - a Cunningham is a bigger boat version of the downhaul. Not to patronize, but by way of explanation, the downhaul being that small line coming down from the boom right below the turkeyneck. Helps add and or ease tension to the main sail's luff without messing with the main halyard. On bigger boats with bigger tensions on the sail, when brute force isn't enough to pull the boom down, they put use a downhaul with some blocks built in to allow you to use your labor to better advantage. Confused? Good, so am I. Anyway, best of luck and remember subcontract, subcontract, subcontract. I'm sure for the price of a beer you could find someone to haul the damn thing up and down for you... Scott
I've got a 1979 Cat...no winches for halyards, no roller furling, in fact, pretty much nothing. Agree with the earlier comments about the mast slide - since the Cats aren't so big to need trucks and what not on the main, it's just the sail's bolt rope along the luff and the main sail track. Perhaps during the off season take a look at the blocks at the top of the mast? They may be the source of extra friction on the halyard, not the sail and mast themselves. My jib came with its own leech line built into the sail, so I've had no need to use the halyard for that job. Plus I solo my boat (without any solo control features yet) - so sometimes I'm just plain happy to have the damn thing up and still be afloat. Finally - a Cunningham is a bigger boat version of the downhaul. Not to patronize, but by way of explanation, the downhaul being that small line coming down from the boom right below the turkeyneck. Helps add and or ease tension to the main sail's luff without messing with the main halyard. On bigger boats with bigger tensions on the sail, when brute force isn't enough to pull the boom down, they put use a downhaul with some blocks built in to allow you to use your labor to better advantage. Confused? Good, so am I. Anyway, best of luck and remember subcontract, subcontract, subcontract. I'm sure for the price of a beer you could find someone to haul the damn thing up and down for you... Scott
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