H42 Mast Wiring

Nov 4, 2010
27
Hunter 42 Passage Southern Maryland
Ok My 42 Passage Friends,

The auto pilot is installed and it's time to start the next project. I have a 18 inch Garmin Radar to be installed on the mast. Mounting and installing it is not a problem. My quest for advice is running the wiring down the mast and getting to the GPS in the cockpit. Thoughts?

Thanks,

Art
 
Jun 11, 2011
1,243
Hunter 41 Lewes
One project on my back burner is to change my radar mount to a pivot to allow for a smaller deviation while under sail and in rough conditions. Just a thought. Can't help with running the wires in your mast but you should state the mast brand for better help from others.
 
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Dec 25, 2000
5,918
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
P42

Hi Art, I have no radar and do not want one. My chart plotter gives me everything that I want relative to course.

Our 1991 P42 has an Isomat mast, now owned by Charleston Spar. There is a conduit through the mast for all the electrical stuff that comes down to the step, then through a short piece of conduit through the coach roof and into the main cabin at the top of the compression post. You need to unstep the mast to get to the wire splices at the base of the mast.

Depending on the model year, yours may be much the same. Hope this helps.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,918
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
AP

Hi Art, as a follow-up, most of the wiring from the mast to the cockpit follows a path from where the wires enter the coach roof, through the head liner over to the port side of the boat. There they flow through a facia where the main cabin port side speakers are mounted and back to a wire chase through a cross member.

Open up your power panel at the nav station and also remove the small courtesy light panel at the nav station step. There you will see the wire chase for most all wires that cross from the nav station to the starboard side of the boat. This will give you wire access to the engine room, then to the SS conduit that leads up to the pedestal.

Whoever did the wiring left a chase cord between the nav station panel and the courtesy light panel on our boat. This helped a great deal. Please let me know what you find. Hopefully, they did your boat the same as ours.
 

eianm

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Jul 7, 2010
523
Hunter 42 Sydney
yes- my 1991 H42 is exactly same as Terry describes- if i were to replace my dead radar i would use the existing cable as a pull through.
Eianm
 
Nov 4, 2010
27
Hunter 42 Passage Southern Maryland
Thanks Guys, Mine is 1991. I found the messenger line from the compression post to behind the instrument panel and the wire trunk behind the courtesy light. Down the mast is my obstacle.
 
Jun 1, 2009
1,824
Hunter 49 toronto
Ok, here's how to do this

Thanks Guys, Mine is 1991. I found the messenger line from the compression post to behind the instrument panel and the wire trunk behind the courtesy light. Down the mast is my obstacle.
This is the best trick on the planet; possibly in the entire universe

You will need

A 50' fish tape
Plastic snap in grommets (Heyco) Either 3/4" or 1", depending on size of cable.
24" of bead chain (like from roller window shades)
Magnet mounted on extending antenna (Home Depot)

At the radome location, drill the appropriate sized hole for the cable and plastic grommet.
Drill same sized hole at mast base
Take length of bead chain, and securely tape it, (with electrical tape) to end of fish tape.
So, from up in the bosun's chair, just push the fish tape down the mast.
At the deck level, your helper will hear when it is coming close.
All they need to do is put the tubukar magnet into the bottom hole.
Presto!!! As soon as the bead chain comes even close, the magnet snags it.
Pull the bead chain out of the hole.
Attach a messenger, which you will pull up to the radome
Then attach the radome cable to the messenger, and fish it back down.
Normally it takes tons of time & lots of frustration to find the end of a fish tape in a mast. With this technique, you can do it blindfolded in 5 minutes.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,918
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
Radar Dome

Hi Art, an alternative to a mast mount would be a transom post mount or a back stay mount. Might be easier, but cost a bit more. My concern with the one suggestion about drilling a hole in the mast base is that the radar wire would not be restrained in the mast wiring conduit. Our 1991 P42 has three halyards; spinnaker, topping and main. Adding another wire such as the radar would be of some concern with tangling.

The other is drilling another hole in the coach roof. I dislike the idea of drilling more holes in the boat and will go to great lengths to avoid it. I've seen boats where the wire comes out a hole at the base of the mast and then back into another hole through the coach roof.

If you must have the mast mount and it were my boat I would lift the mast off of the step (disconnect the stays, crane required), and run the radar wire through the mast conduit and through the mast step conduit into the top of the compression post following the existing wire routes back to the cockpit.

A backstay or transom post radar mount might cost less than hiring a crane and operator to lift the mast off of the step.

Just a thought.
 

eianm

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Jul 7, 2010
523
Hunter 42 Sydney
i actually found a pull wire in my mast when i re- rigged 2 years ago and ran a new TC antenna wire from mast head- i believe it was factory fitted.
 
Feb 8, 2014
1,300
Columbia 36 Muskegon
Here's a trick I did when I mounted a radar on my Columbia 8.7. Out was mid-season and I found a deal on a radar I couldn't pass up, and didn't want to drop the mast at that time. I went ahead and mounted the done from the boson chair, then ran the cable down the OUTSIDE of the mast, gluing it every foot or so with a dab of silicone and wrapping light string around the mast to hold it in place. Next day I ran the main up to break all the strings. The last and cable were both white and it was hardly noticeable. I ran out that way I think two years until the next time we dropped the mast.
 
Jul 25, 2004
359
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
Running P42 radar wire from mast to cockpit

Hi Art,

I also have a 1991 P42 (hull #65) and I did exactly what you are contemplating. I installed a 24" Furuno antenna on my mast and ran the wire from the mast to the cockpit instrument panel. I did it in 2000, so I apologize if my (ancient) memory has holes in it. But as nearly as I can remember, this is what I did.

1. Pick your antenna installation spot better than I did. I routinely climb my mast and stand atop the first set of spreaders for eyeball coral navigation. Had I installed my antenna above my own height above the first spreaders, it would be easier to climb the mast. Just one consideration.

2. I didn't run the wire inside the conduit that runs inside the mast. That made the exercise MUCH easier. Since it is a rather thick bundle of wires, and it is coated with a nice thick insulation, I was not concerned about that part of the installation. It has never been a problem.

3. I cut the end of the wire run that is the end farthest from the antenna, and utilized the antenna end connections as they were originally supplied. (You'd likely do this as well since you run the wires down the mast, not up the mast).

4. After drilling the hole in the mast (taking care to avoid the conduit, any loose wires inside the mast, and all halyards), I ran the radar wire into the hole and let gravity take it down the mast.

5. At the base of the mast the lowest B & R wires connect to the mast from the outer ends of the lower spreader tips. They connect to the mast in the holder that is not welded into the mast base, but is held in place only by the strain imposed by the shroud wire. Loosen and remove that shroud wire on one side (I removed the starboard side) at the base of the mast. There is a turnbuckle and it is easily accomplished. After the shroud is loosened, the holder piece can be turned sideways and removed from the mast base. A flashlight shined into the mast base through this hole gives you amazing visibility into the mast base. (Particularly when aided by an inspection mirror). You can easily find the radar wire inside the mast and grab it with a long screwdriver (or one of those nifty flexible retractable grab hooks that you buy for $10 at many auto parts stores).

6. From inside the cabin, unscrew the part of the cover that covers the top of the compression post and gives you access to the wires coming out of the mast. There is a short (maybe 4" to 6" long) piece of PVC pipe here that the masthead wires pass through. You will want to pass the radar wires through this pipe. Coat the wires with Vaseline and it will be an easier job.

7. Go back on deck and ensure that you have a drip loop in the radar wire. This ensures that the water that runs down the radar wires falls off before it goes into that little PVC pipe.

8. Go back into the cabin and ensure that the PVC pipe is siliconed into place so that errant water does not find its way into the cabin. Then once all wires are in place, fill the PVC pipe with silicone so that any water getting into the PVC pipe stays outside rather than running down your compression post.

9. You are now done with the mast base work, and you can replace your shroud.

10. Now comes the fun: running the wires. Just aft of the compression post cover you can see where the masthead wires run. As Terry noted, these wires run to the port side and then back to the nav station. You will get access along the way by removing the stereo speakers. You will want to take out your stereo amplifier (or whatever now occupies that space) for ease of dealing with the wires. This run takes patience; put aside some time for it. I'm not suggesting that you engage in my bad habits, but stopping for a beer/wine break at appropriate intervals helps. And don't forget the Vaseline coating. I found that the wires were so rigid that I pushed and pulled my way through it. I was ready to cut and re-splice one of the masthead wires for a messenger, but I found it unnecessary.

11. Make sure you leave enough slack line at the top of the compression post to cut all of the wires and install a junction box there. You will want to leave at least a foot or more of slack wires so that when you raise your mast in the future, you have slack to get the mast up (and down) without straining things. It will save you much aggravation when you are dropping the mast and can run the wire with the mast still 6" or 12" above the deck.

12. My installation is different than what you contemplate. I have a wire run to the nav area where I keep my radar scope most all of the time. Then I take the scope up to the cockpit when I need it up there for those delicate navigation purposes. So I have two wire runs. But in practice, both you and I are running wires to the cockpit instrument pod, so it's the same in the end. Again, as Terry noted, you run the wires down the forward corner of the nav station. You can get good access along the way by removing the "kickplate" cover that is next to the nav chair and up against the port side of the boat under the nav desk. Then down to that light (which you'll remove for access and helping things along). Then into the engine compartment, and running along the engine compartment to the bottom of the post that holds the instrument pod.

13. Your situation may be better than mine, but my instrument pod post is crammed with wires. I have a Twinscope sonar through there, and now the radar as well. Plenty of Vaseline. It'll get up there eventually. And then you're done. Enjoy another beer.

Please feel free to email me (paulcossman@hotmail.com) or contact me through this string if you have any other questions. I was able to do this without removing the mast and it was not difficult, just time consuming.
 
Nov 4, 2010
27
Hunter 42 Passage Southern Maryland
Thanks Paul great detail instructions. As soon as the weather warms I'll start taking on this project. Sounds like a three to four beer job and scotch when finished. Cheers!

Art
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,918
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
P42 Mast

Hi Paul, FWIW when we purchased our boat in 2002 she was leaking fresh water down the mast and into the main cabin through that short piece of PVC pipe. The PO tried to stop the leak by smearing Silicone II all around and into the pipe. His efforts did not pay off.

I HATE SILICONE II!!! Terrible stuff on a boat, IMHO.

To stop the leak I unstepped the mast, removed the step plate, re-bedded the plate, replaced the PVC pipe and sealed with 3M4200. That fixed the leak and it has been dry ever since.
 

Zaya

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Jul 22, 2014
35
Hunter Passage 42 Providence, RI
I also hate silicone especially in this place. So, until mast was down I made new PVC pipe little longer and firmly glued it with epoxy-no leaks no mess. I'm replacing now all water and waste tanks on my 1994 HP42 with polyethylene ones and will post soon pictures and detail of install. Check it later guys. Thanks.
 
Jul 25, 2004
359
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
P42 water tank

Hi guys,

I totally understand a preference for one sealant over another, and I also use 4200 in places. I'm not here to say that silicone is preferable to other sealants. However, in a place where I know that I will be removing it, and where all it needs to do is prevent water ingress, I use it there. It's just a bit easier to remove than 4200 when I step the mast. (But then again, maybe not).

But Zaya, I am TOTALLY INTERESTED in your replacement of the forward water tank. Mine has leaked for some years and I don't use it at all. I know I need to rectify that situation, but I've not seen an attractive way to do so. I await your report anxiously!!

Cheers guys,
Paul
 

Zaya

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Jul 22, 2014
35
Hunter Passage 42 Providence, RI
Hi guys,

I totally understand a preference for one sealant over another, and I also use 4200 in places. I'm not here to say that silicone is preferable to other sealants. However, in a place where I know that I will be removing it, and where all it needs to do is prevent water ingress, I use it there. It's just a bit easier to remove than 4200 when I step the mast. (But then again, maybe not).

But Zaya, I am TOTALLY INTERESTED in your replacement of the forward water tank. Mine has leaked for some years and I don't use it at all. I know I need to rectify that situation, but I've not seen an attractive way to do so. I await your report anxiously!!

Cheers guys,
Paul
Yes I will, the tanks already ordered but I'll install them as soon as it gets little wormer here in New York.
 
Dec 25, 2000
5,918
Hunter Passage 42 Shelter Bay, WA
P42 Forward Water Tank

Ditto. Our tank has no leaks (knock on wood), yet. Would you please let me know if there is a way to remove the tank from the forward cabin without cutting it up? Hopefully, Hunter did not install the tank before they attached the deck to the hull. Or maybe they did.

Painful as it might be, some day ...
 
Jul 25, 2004
359
Hunter 42 currently in New Zealand
Ditto. Our tank has no leaks (knock on wood), yet. Would you please let me know if there is a way to remove the tank from the forward cabin without cutting it up? Hopefully, Hunter did not install the tank before they attached the deck to the hull. Or maybe they did.

Painful as it might be, some day ...
Terry,

Looking at the dimensions of the forward water tank on the P42, I don't see any way they could have installed it after they attached the deck to the hull. Hence our (collective) issue . . .

Paul
 
Nov 4, 2010
27
Hunter 42 Passage Southern Maryland
So far the water tanks are holding up, but I did have the joy of replacing my waste tank after it "FAILED". I'd post pictures, but NO. To nasty to share. Keep us posted on the front water tank.