H30 Yanmar 2GM RPM question

Status
Not open for further replies.

malyea

.
Dec 15, 2009
236
'87 Irwin 43 Sea Breeze
All's well with 'Bout Time as we go into our third year together....

Every since I've owned her, when I put the 'pedal to the metal' (rarely...) the max rpm I can get out of her Yanmar 2GM is about 1,800....seems like I should get well over 2,000 - maybe close to 2,800..... but I don't - why is that Capt Ron?

I typically motor at about 1,100 rpm and read about 4.5 kts with the little 2 blade fixed pitch prop.

Why don't I get more than 1800 rpm? Could it just be a throttle cable rigging issue? Or gearing? Even in neutral I can only rev to 1800...???

Thanks
 
Oct 25, 2008
74
Hunter 37 Cutter, 1980 Solomons, MD
Is the tachometer known to be accurate? You could verify this with a stroboscope.
 
Jan 22, 2008
31
Hunter 30_74-83 Cincinnati OH
I have a 1984 H30 with a Yanmar 2GM and the manual states the engine is rated for a maximum of 3400 rpm for 1 hour and 3200 rpm for continuous operation. I normally cruise between 2600 - 2800 rpm and use about 1 gallon of diesel fuel every 3 hours. The prop is the standard 2 bladed that came with the boat. I hope this helps.
 
Nov 6, 2012
10
Norsea 27 Lopez Island, Washington
Too much pitch

I've heard a lot of comments in other blogs about diesels running longer and cleaner if you keep the revs up. I have the 2GM20, if you are properly pitched you shoud be able to reach at least 3400. That's where you get the most horse power when you need it, like in seas or making the cut against the tide. Also if you have too much pitch it can get exciting around the marina not being able to thottle back. I'm running a three blade 14 X 11 with a 2.61 tranny. I had the prop repitched using the recommendations of the Prop shop in Lynnwood, Wa. Personally I like to cruise at about 2100 rpm others I know settle in at 2800.

Barry
 
Nov 6, 2012
10
Norsea 27 Lopez Island, Washington
Another thought

If you are rev limited you should try cleaning out your mixing elbow. If it's the U bend one, they are known to carbon up. I chiseled mine out a few times.

Barru
 
Jun 2, 2011
347
Hunter H33 Port Credit Harbour, ON.
The first thing I would check is that the throttle cable is pulling the throttle linkage to the high stop. This can be checked without the engine running.
 
Dec 2, 1999
15,184
Hunter Vision-36 Rio Vista, CA.
Running these GM engines at low RPMs is not good for them or your pocket book. They should be operated at 80-90% of the max rated RPM. The GM engine is rated at 3600.

Check out Yanmar Help, it will explain the operation and why.

Www.yanmarhelp.com/index

I would have your tach and engine checked.
 
Last edited:

malyea

.
Dec 15, 2009
236
'87 Irwin 43 Sea Breeze
Thanks - It's not the prop pitch 'cause even in neutral I can only get 1800 rpm (ie, the prop ain't spinnin').

Looks like easiest first check is the throttle cable/linkage option...

then a tach check to verify actual speed...

then clean the mixing elbow...

Thanks
 
Nov 6, 2006
10,098
Hunter 34 Mandeville Louisiana
"If it is gonna happen, It'll happen out there!"
Fuel filters and possibly the pick-up tube in the tank too. A diesel starving for fuel will sound fine, it just won't make power to rev..
Throttle cable is first, filters and fuel supply second, exhaust elbow next.. Sounds like your tachometer may be way off too so calibrate or have someone calibrate with a hand-held tachometer to get real RPM.. maybe that should be first so that you have a good idea of exactly what you are looking at.
Something like this is sufficient
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...chometer&sprefix=hand+held+tachometer,aps,228
 
Jun 6, 2006
6,990
currently boatless wishing Harrington Harbor North, MD
Check the tack first as you are close to hull speed at "max indicated" RPM, implying that the motor is actually reving to higher than indicated on the tack.
 
Oct 6, 2007
1,141
Hunter H30 1982 Chicago IL
Same model & year, same engine and same prop -- At full out throttle, I get up to 3400rpm and 6.5 knots on flat water with a clean bottom. Hull speed is 6.84 knots. Check throttle adjustment first.
 

jphud

.
Nov 18, 2010
70
1980 Hunter 37 C Saugerties
Sounds like a possible cable issue. As mentioned check for basic engine issues, fuel supply, air etc. You should be noticing other problems if it is engine related, such as smoking, and overheating. You can check your rpm at the engine with a device similar to a timing gun, then you will know exactly the rpm, not a bad thing to do even if you are not having a problem. Also has the gauge panel been changed or upgraded?
 

jphud

.
Nov 18, 2010
70
1980 Hunter 37 C Saugerties
Watch when you put your hand in towards the throttle linkage on the side of the engine. The cable usually sticks out and wants to bite.
 
Nov 22, 2011
1,252
Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
Thanks - It's not the prop pitch 'cause even in neutral I can only get 1800 rpm (ie, the prop ain't spinnin').

Looks like easiest first check is the throttle cable/linkage option...

then a tach check to verify actual speed...

then clean the mixing elbow...

Thanks
I wouldn't rule out the prop pitch as a problem--though it could be that it's not your only problem. If indeed you are pushing the boat at 4.5 knots at only 1100 rpm then that suggests to me that you are significantly overpropped--in addition to your other problem about only hitting 1800 rpm in neutral.

Of course, this assumes that your tach is giving you correct readings, which as others have suggested is something that should not be assumed but verified. Buy one of these for $40 and remove all doubt: http://www.harborfreight.com/digital-photo-sensor-tachometer-66632.html
 

malyea

.
Dec 15, 2009
236
'87 Irwin 43 Sea Breeze
Great info - as always!!! On the road and will get to the boat Friday morning and should know something shortly there after. Thanks and I'll post the results soon.
 

Blaise

.
Jan 22, 2008
359
Hunter 37-cutter Bradenton
I will bet a lot of money that it is the mixing elbow. Because it runs the same in nuetral, it is either the elbow or the governor. Five years ago I had an elbow made out of stainless steel. It is still perfect. If anyone is intrested, I will find out if they are still available.
 

lesrrt

.
May 28, 2013
21
Hunter 27 Havre de Grace
Mixing elbow. If that checks, then ck the fuel delivery. If the diaphragm in the fuel pump starts to fail, max rpm is hindered. Start with the fuel filter first though.
 
Nov 22, 2011
1,252
Ericson 26-2 San Pedro, CA
I will bet a lot of money that it is the mixing elbow. Because it runs the same in nuetral, it is either the elbow or the governor. Five years ago I had an elbow made out of stainless steel. It is still perfect. If anyone is intrested, I will find out if they are still available.
I bought a stainless elbow for my 1GM from here: http://exhaustelbow.com/

I was happy with the quality, the price, and the service.
 

malyea

.
Dec 15, 2009
236
'87 Irwin 43 Sea Breeze
It's the tach !!!

I first checked the linkage (took about a minute) .... nope, linkage fine. Bought a handheld tach at Harbor Freight and bingo ..... the onboard boat tach reports/reads exactly half of the actual engine rpm.

With the engine running at 2000 rpm (as measured by the handheld tach) the onboard boat tach shows only 1000 rpm. It's the same for every throttle setting - regardless whether I'm in neutral or in gear - the onboard boat tach shows exactly half of the actual engine rpm.
At full throttle I get 3500 (as measured by the handheld tach - 1750 on the boat tach).......
So.....now on to troubleshoot the onboard tach.......thoughts?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.