H260 Spinlock Clutch Cam Mounting

Sep 6, 2009
12
Hunter H260 Lake Pend Oreille
I broke the handle on my Spinlock clutch cam and had to remove the assembly from the deck to replace the broken handle.

QUESTION:
The four mounting screws seem to have machine threads, is there a plate or nut(s) embedded in the fiberglass these screws grab onto?
What will I need to do to prep the hole for remounting?
Will one removal and remount not require any special prep for thread strength?

Thanks Dan.
 
Nov 8, 2010
11,386
Beneteau First 36.7 & 260 Minneapolis MN & Bayfield WI
Ah... the handle can be replaced without removing the base from the deck. Too late?
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
Most likely is a threaded aluminum plate. I just installed new clutches but had to through bolt them since mine didn't have a plate. If the threads are in good shape then just remove the old bedding compound and re-bed with new butyl tape.
 

kito

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Sep 13, 2012
2,011
1979 Hunter Cherubini 30 Clemmons
No need to call in a specialist. Re-bed and screw it back down ;)
 
Jun 8, 2004
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There is an aluminum plate below the surface embedded in the deck of the 260 which the machine screws are used in this application. if removing, clean off the old caulking. I would use a pure silicon or 4200. Folks please do not use 5200 as that is a permanent caulk and as Jackdaw would say, Satan's Glue.
 
Sep 8, 2014
2,551
Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
Dear Lord In Heaven please do not use GE Silicone II. Who ever told you that from Spinlock needs to be fired. Some people agree with me, some don't... but my stance is there is (virtually) no place on a boat for silicone. There are a few unique exceptions but I don't want to write a post in that much detail, I'll just leave it simply put; silicone should not be used to bed deck gear, it just causes too many problems with gelcoat - nearly impossible to clean off fully (at a microscopic level) and not all silicone sealants are created equal, many will degrade from UV exposure. Plus, most people do a horrible job installing with it. The ONLY silicone based product I use is DOW 795 and only the specific purpose of installing Lexan windows.
Enough of that... The Spinlock clutches have a sticker on the bottom (when new) that says NOT to use any polysulfide sealant for bedding. That's because polysulfide attacks plastics. Below is a link to an article about bedding sealants used on Boats. Yes, they even talk about silicone, like I said not everyone agrees with me. Anyway, for the clutches or any other plastic that you need to bed to the deck use it Bed-It Butyl Tape. You don't need to cover the whole base of the clutch, just put a nice cone of it around the machine screw base. If the clutch was previously bedded in silicone then you have to get the residue off, good luck with that. Counter bore the mounting holes slightly with a counter sink bit, this creates a 'gasket'. If your screws thread into an aluminum plate then make sure to use some tef gel on the threads, but anti-seize will also work.

http://www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/sealant.asp
 
Jun 8, 2004
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Cloud Diver;

Poly sulfide and silicon are different critters. I have never seen silicon damage metals in over 50 plus years of experience on boats. Yes it is hard to come off depending who makes it but to say silicon attacks metals, I think not.
 
Sep 8, 2014
2,551
Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
Cloud Diver;

Poly sulfide and silicon are different critters. I have never seen silicon damage metals in over 50 plus years of experience on boats. Yes it is hard to come off depending who makes it but to say silicon attacks metals, I think not.
That's correct Dave, Silicone does not attack metals... because I said Polysulfide does. Silicone will seal lots of stuff, if you install it correctly, which most people don't... including 'professionals'.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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It is the way you stated about sealants. Silicons can vary depending on what additives there are. A good example is the one made for west marine which is manufacturerd by silaflex which is tenacious in holding, does not shrink, uv resistant and lasts a long time. Then there are the pure archeticual grade silicons that have a additive for curing faster which is what the manufactures used for securing windows and so forth but also made by other companies. The list goes on. It depends on the purity and additives added in silicons.

I concur with you on polysulfides but when using either butyl or silicon, a lot has to be said for the prep work and done correctly.
 
Sep 8, 2014
2,551
Catalina 22 Swing Keel San Diego
I agree Dave, but GE Silicone II does not meet those standards and I am floored that anyone at Spinlock would recommend it. Regardless of the brand/type it usually is not the silicone that fails, it is the installer. An un-skilled and/or inexperienced person will gob it on and clench down the fasteners to full tight, squeezing out the majority of the sealant and leaving too thin of a film handle expansion/contraction/flex, all while making a huge mess. This can be true of any sealant, but the 'go to' is the big box store brand silicones that don't cut the mustard. The bigger problem is re-bedding down the road when the previous hack-job leaks prematurely... The silicone imbeds into the gelcoat/teak/wood or whatever surface pores and no amount of adhesive cleaner will get all of it without sanding down (deep) to get it off. This is one of the major reasons I had to paint my decks rather than wet-sand and restore the original gelcoat, there was just so much P.O. hack-job silicone bedding that too much gelcoat had to be sanded off to get rid of the residue. There was gel-coat crazing too but that's unrelated, however if not for the silicone residue I could have repaired the crazing with gelpaste. Anyway, it's just my opinion that it safer and wiser in the long run to use Butyl Tape on the plastics where polysulfide is a no-no, and polysulfide on other bedding where it is more convenient. I've pulled 30 year old hardware that was Butyl Tape sealed and it had never leaked, only removed for other reasons besides leaks. Epoxy potting and counter-boring are the other two parts of the trifecta in leak-free, bomb-proof installations.
 
Jun 8, 2004
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As you said, it is in the prep and application and when someone knows what they are doing like yourself and me, then the products can do a great job. I was hands on in all the boats going out when sold and when you have sold as many as I have, you will understand and I can understand what you are saying as well. I too have seen crap work over the years.

Gotta run and repair a lawn mower to mow 6 acres.