Well, I got the boat to Lake Mead and, with a friend, we got the mast up. The gin pole had an enormous force on it toward the starboard side of the boat. It took one person to brace against this pole to keep it anywhere near the plane of the mast and the anchor locker. Dave may have the answer in getting a main sheet system with a couple more lines on the blocks. I don't know how I would use the winch as I don't dare leave the gin pole as I am certain it would flop over to the side. We did get the boat in the water and it is a nice boat. I appreciate all of the advice I got from you all. I noticed that my rudder seems to have a crack along the top and a lot of the back edge, sort of like the rudder is splitting. Is this a big deal and how should I fix it. The boat is a 2000 model H-260. Sam
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Frank Sears
Cracked Rudder
I bought a new H260 last year and in a couple of months the rudder cracked along the top and back side, which enlarged the hold-down rope hole so the rope kept sliping out and the rudder would pop up out of the water no matter how tight I had the compression bolt. And always at a bad time-high winds. With no rudder your helpless out there and my wife was not happy. I did have Hunter send me a new rudder, and we're happily sailing.
I bought a new H260 last year and in a couple of months the rudder cracked along the top and back side, which enlarged the hold-down rope hole so the rope kept sliping out and the rudder would pop up out of the water no matter how tight I had the compression bolt. And always at a bad time-high winds. With no rudder your helpless out there and my wife was not happy. I did have Hunter send me a new rudder, and we're happily sailing.
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YOu mentioned that the boat was second hand I presume. It sounds like the mast is from Dwyer. If so, you will need to guide the pole to steady it but under no circumstances pull or push with the pole as you will bend it and thus could loose the mast. Pleasee advise if this is a Dwyer as I need you to look at the attachement on the mastwhere the pole is attached with a large clevis pin. If it is,make sure that the weld you will see is on all four sides and not just two. IF it is only two, then make sure there is no crack in the weld and call Hunter so they can arrange for a replacement part to be sent to you. If a used boat, the rudder is out of warranty. It is a simple fix. YOu will have to take the rudder off. Simply grind the bonding where the crack is to the glass. Clean the glass and reglass it. Any glass shop can do this if you are skiddish to do that. Cover either with any white gel coat or an epoxy sealer and barrier coat. One other thing to look at is the pin that attaches the pole. Make sure it is only long enough so the metal will not spread at the base of attachment if indeed that is the case. Crazy Dave Condon
YOu mentioned that the boat was second hand I presume. It sounds like the mast is from Dwyer. If so, you will need to guide the pole to steady it but under no circumstances pull or push with the pole as you will bend it and thus could loose the mast. Pleasee advise if this is a Dwyer as I need you to look at the attachement on the mastwhere the pole is attached with a large clevis pin. If it is,make sure that the weld you will see is on all four sides and not just two. IF it is only two, then make sure there is no crack in the weld and call Hunter so they can arrange for a replacement part to be sent to you. If a used boat, the rudder is out of warranty. It is a simple fix. YOu will have to take the rudder off. Simply grind the bonding where the crack is to the glass. Clean the glass and reglass it. Any glass shop can do this if you are skiddish to do that. Cover either with any white gel coat or an epoxy sealer and barrier coat. One other thing to look at is the pin that attaches the pole. Make sure it is only long enough so the metal will not spread at the base of attachment if indeed that is the case. Crazy Dave Condon
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Sam Morgan
Hi Dave
I am on the way back to Colorado and the boat is in storage at Nellis AFB (near Las Vegas). So I cannot check the make of the mast. I do know the pin was just long enough to go through the gin pole fitting on the mast. The failure was the gin pole in that the pole showed elongated holes and was slightly squashed. Now it also has a significant curve in it which, I think, happened when the pole first swung over to the starboard side of the boat. I have the gin pole with me and the rudder. I am going to get another gin pole from Hunter and am going to try to fix the rudder when I get to the Springs/ Always good to hear from you.
I am on the way back to Colorado and the boat is in storage at Nellis AFB (near Las Vegas). So I cannot check the make of the mast. I do know the pin was just long enough to go through the gin pole fitting on the mast. The failure was the gin pole in that the pole showed elongated holes and was slightly squashed. Now it also has a significant curve in it which, I think, happened when the pole first swung over to the starboard side of the boat. I have the gin pole with me and the rudder. I am going to get another gin pole from Hunter and am going to try to fix the rudder when I get to the Springs/ Always good to hear from you.
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Tom Wootton
Gin pole guys
I think your system is a little different from mine (I have a '95 H26) but guys might still work. My boat has short shrouds that run from the forward lifeline stanchions to a point on the mast about 6' above the cabin top. They are only used during mast raising/lowering. On the 260 these shrouds are replaced by permanent rigid diagonal braces. If you have these rigid mast support braces, you could run a line from the base of each to the far end of the gin pole to prevent it going sideways.
I think your system is a little different from mine (I have a '95 H26) but guys might still work. My boat has short shrouds that run from the forward lifeline stanchions to a point on the mast about 6' above the cabin top. They are only used during mast raising/lowering. On the 260 these shrouds are replaced by permanent rigid diagonal braces. If you have these rigid mast support braces, you could run a line from the base of each to the far end of the gin pole to prevent it going sideways.
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Nancy Berg
How you park for rigging
We have discovered that it is very important how and where you park the trailer for rigging. Level side to side will minimize the side sway when raising the mast. Also a little down hill to the front of the trailer helps with the initial lift. (Downhill to the stern makes it very hard to start the raising process)
We have discovered that it is very important how and where you park the trailer for rigging. Level side to side will minimize the side sway when raising the mast. Also a little down hill to the front of the trailer helps with the initial lift. (Downhill to the stern makes it very hard to start the raising process)
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Tom; It will not matter as to wire or pole stabilizers regarding this situation. It has to do with the attachment of the raising pole to the mast on this boat. Crazy Dave ddddddddda;slkjtr; ifra
Tom; It will not matter as to wire or pole stabilizers regarding this situation. It has to do with the attachment of the raising pole to the mast on this boat. Crazy Dave ddddddddda;slkjtr; ifra
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Gin pole bend
Hi, My 1999 H260 with the supplied pole and attach point scared the H___ out of me. I think it is a disaster waiting to happen. The pole supplied already had a little bend in it and when in use would form a figure "S" under compression and would try to fall off to one side or the other. This opened up the attachment bracket at the mast base. Lines can be run to the forward stantion bases, whicn are in line with the mast, to prevent the fall-off; but then this turns into a macramae project. I managed to use it the first two years by holding the pole and raising the mast while praying -- possible, but a lot to do single handed. After that I had a new pole made from thick wall aluminum tube (more like pipe, much stiffer) and had some SS brackets made to connect to the mast using a through bolt from the sides. This is exactly the pole design supplied by MacGregor for their mast raising system. Finally, that stupid bracket at the mast base is positioned perfectly to catch jib sheets during a tack, and always seems to catch and backwind the jib at the most inoportune time. I love my Hunter, and overall think it is well executed, but they need to beef up that mast raising pole and rethink the attachment at the base. Fair winds, Tom
Hi, My 1999 H260 with the supplied pole and attach point scared the H___ out of me. I think it is a disaster waiting to happen. The pole supplied already had a little bend in it and when in use would form a figure "S" under compression and would try to fall off to one side or the other. This opened up the attachment bracket at the mast base. Lines can be run to the forward stantion bases, whicn are in line with the mast, to prevent the fall-off; but then this turns into a macramae project. I managed to use it the first two years by holding the pole and raising the mast while praying -- possible, but a lot to do single handed. After that I had a new pole made from thick wall aluminum tube (more like pipe, much stiffer) and had some SS brackets made to connect to the mast using a through bolt from the sides. This is exactly the pole design supplied by MacGregor for their mast raising system. Finally, that stupid bracket at the mast base is positioned perfectly to catch jib sheets during a tack, and always seems to catch and backwind the jib at the most inoportune time. I love my Hunter, and overall think it is well executed, but they need to beef up that mast raising pole and rethink the attachment at the base. Fair winds, Tom
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Mark
Hole in mast
Tom our pole slides into a hole on the front of the mast about 2 inches up from the bottom. Is there another way? Regards
Tom our pole slides into a hole on the front of the mast about 2 inches up from the bottom. Is there another way? Regards
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Crazy Dave Condon
I bet you have a Dwyer mast
Curious to know what mast you have. Advise and the fix you did sounds to be good. Crazy Dave Condon
Curious to know what mast you have. Advise and the fix you did sounds to be good. Crazy Dave Condon
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Tom M.
Dave! Dwyer mast and gin pole attachment
Ok, I have a Dwyer mast with the bracket on the front for the gin pole. The bracket is riveted to the mast (2 rivets). When you speak of welds, I'm assuming you are referring to the actual ears welded to the plate that is riveted to the mast, right? So the welds should be on both sides of each ear and not just one. Is this correct? I assume that the rivets are sufficient to hold the bracket on? (I hope....) -Tom '00 H260 S/V Manana ('~' over the 1st 'n')
Ok, I have a Dwyer mast with the bracket on the front for the gin pole. The bracket is riveted to the mast (2 rivets). When you speak of welds, I'm assuming you are referring to the actual ears welded to the plate that is riveted to the mast, right? So the welds should be on both sides of each ear and not just one. Is this correct? I assume that the rivets are sufficient to hold the bracket on? (I hope....) -Tom '00 H260 S/V Manana ('~' over the 1st 'n')
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Crazy Dave Condon
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Can you submit a phot to the forum so I can take a look. IF you would like to email me a picture, call Gregg Emerson at Hunter and ask for my email or phone number. we need to look at this quickly. Ok? Crazy Dave Condon
Can you submit a phot to the forum so I can take a look. IF you would like to email me a picture, call Gregg Emerson at Hunter and ask for my email or phone number. we need to look at this quickly. Ok? Crazy Dave Condon
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Dave C. Dwyer mast ginpole bracket
Dave, I took some pictures of that bracket this weekend but I can't post them, says the files are too big, so I'll have to do something to fix that...... Anyway, I was mistaken when I said the bracket was riveted to the mast with two rivets, there are actually four rivets and the ears are welded completely around onto the base so everything looks OK. I'll still try to post the photos later. Thanks. -Tom M.
Dave, I took some pictures of that bracket this weekend but I can't post them, says the files are too big, so I'll have to do something to fix that...... Anyway, I was mistaken when I said the bracket was riveted to the mast with two rivets, there are actually four rivets and the ears are welded completely around onto the base so everything looks OK. I'll still try to post the photos later. Thanks. -Tom M.
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It is good to know that you have four pop rivets and the welds are on all four sides. For those of you with the dwyer masts, make sure that the pop rivets are holding the bracket onto the mast tightly. Crazy Dave Condon
It is good to know that you have four pop rivets and the welds are on all four sides. For those of you with the dwyer masts, make sure that the pop rivets are holding the bracket onto the mast tightly. Crazy Dave Condon
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