GPS software for Macs

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Oct 15, 2004
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Oday 34 Wauwatosa, WI
Fred, you must have missed my question earlier

regarding the security updates :) I would echo an earlier sentiment - if your system hasn't crashed in 6 years, I suspect you could have bought an IBM Selectric to accomplish the tasks you are asking of it! Our office used MS Access, MS Excel and Quickbooks, and with the antivirus software we had to have constantly running, the systems (even new Dell top of the line systems) were overwhelmed on a daily basis. There was not a CHANCE of running more than a couple of days without a crash or reboot. People who constantly download all the little helper utilities to solve Windows myriad problems will generally experience even more problems as their registries become bloated with entries - many causing conflicting demands on the system. (Which brings up another of Mac's beauties - want to delete a program?? Just drag it's icon into the trash can - and it's gone - no leftover icons, registry entries, folders, etc) While there are a very few number of programs that are not available for Mac (MS Access is one of them) that has not been a legitimate complaint for many years now - in fact - the ease of writing and the open code for Mac has proven that software development for Macs yields a wide variety of choices with constantly improving products. On the other hand, whether or not new updates to MS programs are improvements or not is often debatable (see the concurrent thread on IE7). As to cost, I bought my first iBook as an Apple Store demo two years ago - for $600. It had an extended Applecare warranty, a wireless network card installed, and the memory had been maxed out. Our two newest MacBooks were under $1,200 each, so affordability is not really an issue either. I understand you can build your own Windows box for less than that, and as you said - to each his own. I do believe that the dominance of Windows has much more to do with the marketing strategy of giving Windows away on new PCs for years than it does with the superiority of the product. When you have that much market saturation, it's awfully hard to get big businesses to do a mass overhaul, so most places (like my former employer) are stuck in the rut of continuing to use a marginal product. The points you have in your favor are that there are many more PCs than Macs, some (limited) software for Windows does not have a counterpart in the Mac world, and you can build your own Windows box cheaper than buying a Mac. For me, none of those issues point to a superiority of one system over the other. For me, those drawbacks are more than offset by having a stable system with a far superior graphical interface, and one that is a joy to use - not a frustration. JMHO of course. -- Scott
 
Aug 9, 2005
772
Hunter 28.5 Palm Coast, FL
fred...come into the light...again

What right do you have to modify my post? If you can't argue fair...Quit cheating! If you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen. Macs run circles around PC's....period. Your just too cheap to by a Mac. The mac software is only one step removed from UNIX and you can buy a Mac with up to four processors. As said before if your PC hasn't crashed your not turning it on.
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Landsend?!

If anything is modified it can only be a spell check correction that I might of mistakenly allowed. iespell doesn't care who wrote what, when it's running. I never purposely change ANYTHING that I quote. I know what quotation marks mean. Perhaps you can point out what was changed? And this PC is always on because it's our network server too.
 
Oct 25, 2005
735
Catalina 30 Banderas Bay, Mexico
Tools

Computers are just tools. The way you all are talking you sound like people that buy the tools first the look around for things to do with them. This thread was about looking for a tool to do a job. The tool required is to do a job with a GPS unit. If you make a list of all the software that allows you to use a computer as a tool with a GPS for navigation you will find that Windows is a more versatile tool. That is a fact. There is no room for argument. I doubt that any of us would think it was clever to buy a tool, then whinge about the fact that you can't find adapters that allow you to use your tool to adjust the packing gland nut on your boat. If the job is adjusting the packing gland, get a fricking packing gland wrench. Picking a tool then trying to find software to do the job is backasswards. find the software that does the job you need, then buy the tool that runs it. Why is that such a difficult concept? If you have two jobs, one is to post fast lap times at Daytona, the other is to haul firewood. Would you expect the same vehicle to be the best choice for both jobs? That is absurd. If Photoshop or whatever is faster and easier to use when running on an Apple OS, get a machine that runs that OS. If you want navigation software for your boat (this *is* a Sailing Forum), you will find that the best tools for that job require a Microsoft OS and a RS232 port. Does it not make sense to get a machine that allows you to do the job easily? The Apple<>Microsoft debate will never die. Cases can be found where one is clearly a better tool for a specific job than the other. Since they both run on inTel chipsets now, the PC<>Mac debate is an OS debate, the hardware is not as different as it once was. The only reason I put up with the crap from Microsoft is that good software that I need to do my jobs is not available on the Mac OS. If I could still run OS2 Warp, I would. For years it was the mission critical OS of choice for PC based machines. Absolutley ran rings around NT (XP is based on NT).
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
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Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
Kip, I have a radical suggestion

Buy a used but functional PC in a yard sale and dedicate it to your Garmin. It is alright to have duplicate tools in the house. We have four telephone sets, six scientific calculators, three sewing machines, one computer, Two refrigerators. Etc....
 
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JB

Macs vs PC's

Fred, Fred...get your head out of the water. You need to read the history of how Bill Gates sold IBM his operating system when he didn't even have one. He had to scurry around and try to find one. He found an old school mate in S. Fransisco who had tried to build a system but it was so bad and complicated he abandoned it. It was called DOS. Gates had to show IBM a system so he surprized his friend who was willing to sell him DOS for a few hundred dollars by giving him his IBM front money of $50,000.00 They threw the system together to close the deal with IBM. since there was no other system at the time, that's what PC's ran. On the other side of town, Job's had convinced Zerox (who had invented MAC but didn't have a clue what it could be used for)to give it to him. Mac was basically the same system then as it is today. It was windows. While PC's had to put in spaces and commas and all sorts of ridiculus symbols. Mac was windows, drag and click, and told u what u were doing wrong and how to do it if u were stupid. Gates being a master marketer got IBM to quickly fund all the business software. With IBM's high profile and money, most people didn't even know MAC existed. The software market was flooded with PC software by the time the news of Mac leaked out. If u bought a PC you had access to business,games, and movies that were already on the market. The reason mac survived at all was the people who bought Mac hated the complicated PC. When the word spread to PC users from Mac users how much more simple the MAC was to use, and how much more efficient they were, Mac started to sell more and more. When Experts at Movie studios saw how much better Macs operated and did graphics, special effects and music, light years ahead of PC's. With NO crashes. MAC,s got recognition. Gates being a much smarter business man than Jobs, who was still skate boarding around his offices, saw that MAC was far superior and feared they might take the market away from him if Jobs ever fell off his skate board and came to his senses. Gates met with Jobs on the pretext of funding MAC, so Job's nievely showed Gates his secrets. Gates instead of funding MAC went right home and copied Macs OS. Microsoft came out with Windows. The copy of Mac. Although Window's is just a program running on PC's, Mac IS windows and isn't prone to crashing. Today MACs run intel processors and will run both Mac and PC programs better than PC's. Same thing happened years ago when VHS and Beta came with home video. VHS altho vastly inferior to Beta, got to the marketplace first with all the movies and games. The average person not knowing there was a difference bought VHS to get all the movies. Beta for home use fell to the wayside, out of ignorance of the public, and too slow marketing of its software. All the radio and TV stations who had the experts, installed BETA. And do to this day, VHS is a thing of the past.
 
Feb 18, 2004
184
Catalina 36mkII Kincardine - Lake Huron
KIP some useful information

Practical Sailor reviewed software for hooking up Personal Computers to GPS in the September 2006 edition pg. 20. It was mostly a review of Windows based programmes, however they did include GPS NAVX/MACENC. Their bottom line with this programme was stated: "Don't let the (low) price fool you. GPSNavX was among the best we tested. Although, we did not test MacENC, based on out experience with GPS/NavX and talks with users, we recommend it with a high degree of confidence." In the review they provide some additional information which backs the conclusion up and which may be of interest. You can obtain more information on the above software from http://www.gpsnavx.com/ In addition, Garmin is supporting the MAC as announced this January at MacWorld - see http://www.garmin.com/pressroom/corporate/011006.html
 
Jun 3, 2004
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Hunter 34 Toronto, Ontario Canada
OS arguments

O/S arguments are religious wars. I have been in the IT industry for 40 years - used UNIX SVR3.2, Solaris, PICK OS2,windows 3.1, win 95, NT, Win 98 and now XP. Which is easier? its what you are used to.( except UNIX command line!) Regardless of what is easier TO YOU- you cannot ignore the market- 90% WINTEL. I have been listening to my wife on the floor below me trying to get help from our biggest ISP( Bell Sympatico) to convert to another mail server for the last 4 hours! I did the conversion ( first as the primary mailbox) in 15 min. And BTW MAC OSX is UNIX underneath. Sure there might be some things about Mac that are easier- but it is my theory now that Windows will run on the MAC INTEL box, you will soon not see much SW for MAC OS- you want MS office ( Entourage?) buy the INTEL version and run it in Windows mode! What SW provider is going to develop and support 2 versions when he doesn't have to?
 
Oct 25, 2005
735
Catalina 30 Banderas Bay, Mexico
Nice story JB

That is pretty much how the Mac guys see history. The Graphical User Interface (GUI) was indeed developed at Xerox. Some people say that Jobs stole it. MAC is not GUI. MAC is short for Macintosh ... a variety of Apple. Apple computers were based on a Motorola chip that was designed for controlling traffic lights. Apple gave a bunch of Personal Computers (PC's) to schools. IBM had operating systems long before DOS (Disk Operating System). DOS had to be compatible with existing mainframes. Apple's OS was designed as a GUI from the start, Windows is a GUI that had to be able to run existing DOS programs, since it had to be compatible with the installed software base (DOS) that had to be compatible with the mainframes. Apple did not have this limitation since no they had no need to work with large business applications. Apples were in schools, IBM's were in business. The liberal arts folk developed two skills, "point and click" and "would you like fries with that?". :D Business and research still needed mainframes to get their jobs done, so IBM and DOS continued. GUI's were added to DOS so you could hire a fry cook "point and clicker" to work in the office. Apples were drawing pretty pictures and editing high school prom videos. There were some very good programs running on DOS, Word Perfect, dBase, and Lotus were the standards. Almost anyone could out-type a WYSIWYG word processor, Word Perfect was text based and blindingly fast compared to Word. These programs had to be well written, they ran on a 286 chip set. Many of the problems that Windows has are a direct result of the requirement that each new generation had to support existing file formats. Apple was not faced with that, no one had $$$$$$$ of data that their machines had to process. There was no $$$$$$$ base of installed software that their OS had to run. It is no wonder that without the limitations placed on business applications, Apple OS's and applications designed for it run well. Apple's move to intel chips proves that it was not the Motorola hardware that allowed them to run they way they do, it is the freedom of not having to work with anything else. Someone might invent a new ratchet drive system, if I can't use the sockets I have with it, the new ratchet system is useless to me. If the only tool that will do the job fits the new ratchet system, I'm forced to buy a new system for that job. At one time MacSea and MacSurf were Mac only, high end software for sailing and design ... now they don't run on the Mac platform. The developer was so convinced that the Mac OS was better, he vowed to support it as long as the software was developed. Now even he has dropped the Mac, he needs to sell software to survive ... that software must run under Windows.
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Thanks for that Moody! JB, JB. Tsk, Tsk!

As I read your post I was constantly comparing your referred-to events with my memory. I lived those times and was a huge fan of the industry. I can't think of a point you made that happened as I recall or for the reasons that you give. Again Moody, thanks.
 
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Sean

Garmin Mac Support - Malcolm

I wish it were true, but that press release is from last years MacWorld and they had projected to have real support by the end of 2006. Well it's now 2007, and there's still nothing available. I've got the app working in Virtual PC but the USB cable only recognizes the device as unknown. So every now and again I have to fall back to my PC. Now as for the religion of computers. I agree that these are just tools to help us achieve a goal, whatever that goal happens to be. As someone who used to build high performance PC's, I finally gave up after one too many blue screens of death(BSOD) and instances of lost data, so I decided to give a Mac a chance. The reason I've stayed a Mac user is OS X. I didn't like OS 9 much, though it was also a solid OS. The fact that the OS does not integrate applications inherently, it protects you from total system failure when a third-party application crashes BSOD’s. I believe XP and Vista have moved closer to OS X but I'm not sure(I haven't looked back since my migration, all except for Garmin) The other important factor was "plug-n-play", since Mac got this running, MSFT has been trying to catch up. It’s just a simple, but important factor that saves a user a lot of time. Plug-n-play just makes it nice not to have to restart the unit every time you install another device or application. In general Macs allow novice users to be able to function just as well as advanced users without requiring an advance engineering degree to change conflicts with your Com Ports and LPT ports to make your printers and modems function properly. (pre XP/Vista) The last thing, if Mac's hadn't been around would PC's have evolved out of their bland beige shells? ;) Take care and happy sailing soon, after all this white stuff melts away! -Sean
 
Aug 9, 2005
772
Hunter 28.5 Palm Coast, FL
caught yah...

I see you changes the contents of my reply back. Couldn't resist it huh?
 
Feb 18, 2004
184
Catalina 36mkII Kincardine - Lake Huron
Sean I agree that it is 2007

I knew that I would screw the 2006/7 year up sometime. It is too bad that Garmin hasn't completed its promise. I do not use a computer connection for my chart plotter as it is capable of whatever I want it to do in position and it is easy and fast to enter way points on the fly. The older Garmin handheld GPS is a back-up so I don't use it much for waypoints - if the chart plotter failed, I would just use the handheld for fixes together with charts and normal costal navigation techniques. I have used both Macs and PCs extensively. Sean, you made a good defence of the Mac which parallels my thinking. The computer is a tool - I don't want to be messing around organizing and fixing the tool all the time. I have had Apples (Apple II) since before the IBM PC was invented. I have had Macintoshes since the mid 80s and used them on the job. In the 90s I started a training company which used the Desktop publishing capability to create very high quality (content and appearance) training material. Among other things we trained people on DOS and Windows and their applications but behind the scenes the business was totally operated using Macs - except the training computers. Windows XP got closer to the Mac (and in some areas is better) but as you said it just doesn't cut it in lots of ways and sure is prone to viruses and complete failures. Maybe Windows Vista will be an improvement. However, that said, that despite Garmin's good intentions, hooking up to a Mac is still somewhere in the future. I note that you indicated you were using Virtual PC - have you tried Parallels Mac on the new Macs? Perhaps that is why we haven't seen anything from Garmin as yet - there is no need if you have the new Macs?
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Landsend?!

Are you talking to me? Let me do it this way; QUOTE"caught yah... I see you changes the contents of my reply back. Couldn't resist it huh?"END-QUOTE! Are you saying that I CHANGED back A quote of your post because YOU CAUGHT ME???!!!
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Malcolm

Now you Mac guys are saying that Plug and Play was a Mac invention huh? I still remember the news conference when Bill Gates coined the term. Tsk-Tsk to you too. Edit. The common thread with all of these Mac-defense posts seems to be 'Novice users'. I submit that novice users don't know any better. It's a common human trait to want to defend and justify ones decisions/purchases. Thats cool. But to refer back to ten year old technology (the blue-screen of death) as justification is really stretching things. Besides, the blue screen was an early error message. New stuff (NT based software) intercepts those errors. And the REAL screen of DEATH was RED. One more thing. When MS and IBM parted ways back in the '80s they negotiated who would take what technology developed during the partnership. IBM said we'll take OS2. Bill said we'll take NT. The rest is history.
 

Ross

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Jun 15, 2004
14,693
Islander/Wayfairer 30 sail number 25 Perryville,Md.
So Back to the question. Who makes an interface

system for GPS/Macintosh?
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Ross, I think Malcolm addressed it, didn't he?

(For Landsend;QUOTE""") "However, that said, that despite Garmin's good intentions, hooking up to a Mac is still somewhere in the future. I note that you indicated you were using Virtual PC - have you tried Parallels Mac on the new Macs? Perhaps that is why we haven't seen anything from Garmin as yet - there is no need if you have the new Macs?"""""END-QUOTE
 
Dec 2, 2003
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Hey Malcolm!

Did I ever tell you about my uncle's Apple? :) Picture this; We just bought our first color tv a few years earlier. My uncles family would drive to the other side of the county on Sundays for a visit because Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color was on. The best part of the show was Tinker Bell and her wand during the introduction. WoW! Well, if we could have a 21" round screen console tv then by golly he could move into new stuff too! He bought a new Apple when they first came out. Get this' No monitor. It plugged into a tv. The CPU was a black box with 64K of memory. (that's K as in Thousand) It was hooked to another box. That was a cassette tape. Its' function was storage. The hard-disk had yet to be invented. At least at the personal computer level. The only software for it was a Pong game. So that's all it was used for. Are you ready? $3,500.00!!!!! That's about $20,000 today.
 

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I know we are not to police spelling - but ---

When the word "your" is repeatedly used when it should be spelled "you're" I cringe. ok - my bad for noticing.
 
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