GPS recommendation (need Baja maps)?

Aug 31, 2022
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Catalina Capri 18 560 La Bahia de San Felipe, MX
Hi All, I'm just beginning to do some research on this device and thought I'd ask if others have any recommendations. I'm looking for a GPS chart plotter which can have Baja CA (No. part of Sea of Cortez, not the Pacific side) maps loaded. I will be transporting and storing boat in Mexico this November. I might consider adding a depth finder as well but don't need a fish finder (not a fisherman). Thanks!
 

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Mark.
Your query is interesting. You want a chart plotter. Are we to guess that money is not object? You plan on using this on an 18ft boat. Does the boat have adequate power sources to run a standard chart plotter?

On small boats, hand held devices work well. Less clutter and lower energy demands. Garmin makes a whole line of efficient units marketed for hiking, yet equally good on the water.

Charts... Nautical Charts Online - NGA Nautical Charts - Central, South America Here is one source. You can download and print just the charts you need. Laminated they are a water resistant option that has served many a pocket yacht.

A small laptop using OpenCPN gives state of the art navigation tools at a pocket pinching sailors budget.

I would not bypass the fish finder. They use sophisticated chart systems, provide a detailed look beneath the boat. Can include navigational and depth data while using small battery energy that is manageable on a small boat.
 
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Jan 11, 2014
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Hi All, I'm just beginning to do some research on this device and thought I'd ask if others have any recommendations. I'm looking for a GPS chart plotter which can have Baja CA (No. part of Sea of Cortez, not the Pacific side) maps loaded. I will be transporting and storing boat in Mexico this November. I might consider adding a depth finder as well but don't need a fish finder (not a fisherman). Thanks!
Mark, are you talking about an 18' Catalina? If so, how far away from the launch ramp are planing to sail? For how long? How do plan on recharging the battery that will power this GPS/Chartplotter?

When venturing beyond daysailing, one needs to think about systems, not devices. What is your electrical system like? What is your navigation, system? What is your freshwater system? What is your food storage system? What is your food preparation system? Then think about how those systems integrate and work together (or again each other).

To get meaningful and helpful answers to your questions answer some of these questions.
 
Feb 26, 2004
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I'm looking for a GPS chart plotter which can have Baja CA (No. part of Sea of Cortez, not the Pacific side) maps loaded.
Putting aside the diversions about boat systems, this ^^^ is your question. You should do some research at www.latitude38.com and other Mexico boating sites about the validity of charts in MX to begin with. Of course many charts have old soundings, which is true in many places. But electronic charting in MX has been reported to be "off" not only in depth but in location, which is far worse. If you're planning to anchor,, either get a leadline (always a good backup anyway) or a depth finder.
 
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Putting aside the diversions about boat systems, this ^^^ is your question. You should do some research at www.latitude38.com and other Mexico boating sites about the validity of charts in MX to begin with. Of course many charts have old soundings, which is true in many places. But electronic charting in MX has been reported to be "off" not only in depth but in location, which is far worse. If you're planning to anchor,, either get a leadline (always a good backup anyway) or a depth finder.
Focusing back on your question...

For a small boat a tablet based charting program like AquaMaps is probably your best bet. You will need a gps enabled tablet and the app. These apps are typically fairly inexpensive and you will have to buy/downlad charts for your specific area.

If you should go this route and go with an iPad, you will need an iPad with cell data capabilities, however you will not need to actually have a data plan. (Although a data plan may be worthwhile for other reasons.)

You should also be aware that charting apps on tablets can be power hogs. We use Aquamaps on an iPad as a secondary navigation program. When it is running, the battery will be completely discharged in about 3 hours. Which brings me back to the point of my initial post, how are you going to manage your systems, specifically your electrical system so that you have sufficient power to keep the tablet running?
 
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6 or 7 years back we were anchored in 50 ft of water off the beach at Tenacatita, north of Manzanillo. The chart plotter showed us almost a nautical mile inland. Unless things have changed since then making landfall at night without radar would be unthinkable!
 
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Jan 19, 2010
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Will you have cell service, If so the Navionics app works and you just download the charts you need to to your phone. It is surprisingly good. Your phone is also your GPS. Get a used hand held GOS off of FB market or CL as a back up and you are golden .

Edit: This might be a good option if power consumption is an issue.
 
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Unlike Hollyberry, the only place I've had any serious deviation on any GPS unit has been in the ICU.
Somehow, most of those of us who circumnavigated in the '70s managed to make numerous landfalls w/o radar. Of course, radar is nice but certainly not essential. A depth finder however is. It need not be a fishfinder, but even with GPS it is important to watch for shallowing water and matching it to the GPS.
I've used most major manufactures' chartplotters and have four Garmin units now (two boats). They are by far the most user friendly units I've used. Furuno makes very good equipment, though they are a bit more expensive. On the other hand, I wouldn't install any Raymarine equipment on any boat I owned or operated, even if it was free and I was paid to do so.
I believe all the major manufacturers have charts for sale for every place you might want to go, if they aren't preloaded.
 
Aug 31, 2022
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Catalina Capri 18 560 La Bahia de San Felipe, MX
Thank you for all the responses - great information here! Also lots of questions from the Forum, so let me elaborate on what I have, what I was thinking, and what the folks at West Marine suggested yesterday. As mentioned in the original post, I've just picked up a 2000 Catalina 18. I'll be sailing it on the reservoir near my home in Denver, CO for the next couple of months to get more experience with the boat, and then will be transporting it to my home in San Felipe, Baja Mexico in November. My plan (at least initially) is to dry sail it and keep the boat in my enclosed, secure garage. The marina in San Felipe, which is a small fishing village, is home to a small fishing fleet and a Mexican naval base - there are only about a dozen pleasure boats in slips at the floating dock inside the marina's breakwater. I'm not comfortable putting a boat in a slip there until the town invests a bit more on security and infrastructure around the marina.

For the next year, I will just do day sailing in the bay off the coast in front of the city as this is my first time sailing on the ocean, but may venture just a short ways up or down the coast if the weather is favorable. The boat has no galley but should sleep two comfortably for an overnight. The boat has a 12v marine battery, a solar trickle charger, and the 6hp Tohatsu has an alternator which I plug in when the engine is mounted so I can charge the battery with the engine as well. The electronics that came with the boat are: 1) old Garmin which doesn't do me too much good as it cannot take any additional maps - right now I just use it to tell me my speed, 2) handheld VHF radio which looks to be pretty new and in very good condition, and 3) Raymarine Wireless Multi Wind System (I haven't used this yet as it was just repaired by the factory and is on its way to me as we speak - I'll have it up and running in about a week and can check it out then).

The reason I was interested in a GPS is not only to locate my position on the map locally, but it might be interesting to either sail across the Sea of Cortez to Puerto Penasco, or down the coast to Puertecitos. Also, the tidal action (both depth of the tide and tidal currents) can be quite dramatic up near San Felipe. At it's peak, the tide depth can vary by as much as 17 to 18 feet from high tide to low tide - so a depth finder might be quite useful to keep me off the sand bars that can shift around. I bought the Baja Chart for the area I'm looking at, but there's not much detail there. I'm not looking for anything built-in, nor anything that takes a lot of power. I don't think I can rely on cell service once I get a little ways off the coast. The guys at West Marine here in Denver suggested the Garmin ECHOMAP Plus 43cv might be a good choice. It's relatively small, can load the map I want with an SD card, won't break my budget, and I should be able to easily mount the transducer on the transom rather than through the hull (not excited about punching any holes in the bottom of the boat). The RayMarine unit may also be expandable to do what I want, and then I don't need to have an additional system to deal with - but I need to read up on it when I get the documentation and/or call the manufacturer.

Thanks again, and I'll go back and read through all the responses once more to glean all I can from the folks here with far more experience than me.
 
Jan 11, 2014
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Sabre 362 113 Fair Haven, NY
Thanks for the additional info, it is helpful.:)

For depth, you can get a through the hull transducer that does not require drilling a hole in the bottom of your boat. A daunting task for any boat owner.

Since you are in a fairly remote place you might consider a Garmin inReach or a Spot tracker. Both use satellites to relay text messages and emergency locations. Your handheld will have a very short range maybe 5 to 10 miles because it is low powered, only 5-6 watts and the antenna will be located close to the water, thus a short line of sight. The satellite trackers do not have those short comings and they maps on which others can follow your progress as you cruise.

For the money I think a tablet and an app will be a good choice. In addition to serving as a chart plotter, it can be an entertainment device, and storage for important documents, like copies of manuals, passports, vaccination cards, etc

You will want to up your charging systems for the longer cruises. Those little 10 - 20 watt trickle charger won't do much to recharge a depleted battery. Likewise, unless you are motoring for many hours a day the output from the outboard won't do much either. For your longer cruises a decent quality 100 watt solar panel with a good charge control (Victron makes some of the best) should meet your needs.

Enjoy your cruising!
 
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Jan 19, 2010
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Since you are in a fairly remote place you might consider a Garmin inReach or a Spot tracker.
:plus:I've used the Spot units before. They are very economical and they also have two levels of "help". The lower level of help is for non-life threatening (i.e. my car battery is dead, please come jump my car) and the second sends the rescue helicopter. Insurance for the helicopter is a little extra but reasonable.

A nice feature of the spot is that it can be programmed to send an "I'm okay" message to up to 20 people... and it records your GPS location and shows it on a map. You can buy used transmitters on FB market place, CL or eBay for less than $50. You then subscribe to the service and can cancel when you are not using it. Very convenient.
 
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I don't think I can rely on cell service once I get a little ways off the coast.
That is too bad. I would still recommend that you download "Windy", "Tides", Navonics and "CLIME" (Clime is the newest version of NOAA) and keep them on your phone. CLIME and Windy can both be set up to give you alerts and to show you the "danger" zone for a developing storm cell. I used Tides every day. You may not be able to religh on them but I suspect you will use them if you have them.
 

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“I don't think I can rely on cell service once I get a little ways off the coast.”

You might be surprised. Cell service is line of sight. Depending on signal strength you may find 5-6 mile service.

That website in an earlier post has the area of Baja you are planning to use. The site lets you print a map/chart.

The Garmin would be my choice. That and a laptop with maps download as PDF files.