Is it just me, or does the sound of halyards clanging on someone else's mast drive you nuts? Why is it that they seem to clang the loudest when it's night and nobody is aboard the offending boat? Arrgghh!! Now I know how Quasimodo felt. The bells, the bells!!! Peter S/V Raven
Got My Dander Up, The Sequel
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Music to ny ears
When I sleep on the boat at the marina, its music to my ears. Kinda makes me think I must be on a sailboat. David s/v Devine Spark
When I sleep on the boat at the marina, its music to my ears. Kinda makes me think I must be on a sailboat. David s/v Devine Spark
There is a solution...
Any time you want to feel as if you're sleeping on a sailboat, just hire a dozen people to bang on pots and pans outside your bedroom window all night. On more than one occasion in my marina, I've gotten up in the middle of the night and tied someone's offending halyards to the mast with a bungee cord.
Any time you want to feel as if you're sleeping on a sailboat, just hire a dozen people to bang on pots and pans outside your bedroom window all night. On more than one occasion in my marina, I've gotten up in the middle of the night and tied someone's offending halyards to the mast with a bungee cord.
Been there...
I bought a huge bag of cheap Made-in-China bungy cords, and handle the problem myself on all the vacant neighbouing boats whose owners don't give a damn about anyone else (and are usually never actually on their boat anyway to hear their halyards banging away...)
I bought a huge bag of cheap Made-in-China bungy cords, and handle the problem myself on all the vacant neighbouing boats whose owners don't give a damn about anyone else (and are usually never actually on their boat anyway to hear their halyards banging away...)
Bungee Cords
Why waste bungee cords. If I have to get up, I figure I may as well practice tying knots. Lots of knots. Usually don't have to practice more than once.
Why waste bungee cords. If I have to get up, I figure I may as well practice tying knots. Lots of knots. Usually don't have to practice more than once.
non sleep aboards
it always seems that the offenders are the ones who never sleep aboard so therefore don't think of such things, so if you never sleep aboard....
it always seems that the offenders are the ones who never sleep aboard so therefore don't think of such things, so if you never sleep aboard....
Everyone here seems a little harsh
I sleep aboard quite often on my boat but I don't exepect anyone to assume I'm there. If a halyard is keeping me awake I'll bungee it back but if anyone put a knot in my halyard there would be real problems with that owner, so I wouldn't do it either. Even with my limited experience with cruising just about every marina I've slept in had quite a few halyards banging. I've always thought it was just another part of crusing. If you want total quiet, anchor out or go camping.
I sleep aboard quite often on my boat but I don't exepect anyone to assume I'm there. If a halyard is keeping me awake I'll bungee it back but if anyone put a knot in my halyard there would be real problems with that owner, so I wouldn't do it either. Even with my limited experience with cruising just about every marina I've slept in had quite a few halyards banging. I've always thought it was just another part of crusing. If you want total quiet, anchor out or go camping.
The point is...
There's really no good excuse for slapping halyards. There are plenty of other "boat sounds"--and if it weren't the bloomin' halyard cacaphony, you be able to hear 'em!--that are actually relaxing...so it isn't about total peace and quiet (adn you've obviously never camped if you think camping offers you that, Jeff). If your next door neighbor had a gate or screen door that banged all night every time there was a breeze, you'd ask him to do something about it...if his dog barked all night OR all day, you'd insist on his doing something about it. You certainly wouldn't consider THAT "music to your ears that kinda makes you think you're sleeping in a neighborhood." Slapping halyards are no different. If I can crawl out of bed, walk to the offending boat--which, since I'm a powerboat in a covered slip, is never on my dock--and tie 'em down with a bungee cord, and come back to my boat in a matter of a few minutes, it takes only a few seconds for the owner of that boat to tie 'em down with a bungee cord himself as the last step in securing his boat. I'd never tie knots in anyone's halyards...but if finding a bungee cord wrapped around 'em doesn't give him the message, the thought of taking a crew over to his house at 3 am to stand outside his bedroom window and bang on pots and pans is one I'd support.
There's really no good excuse for slapping halyards. There are plenty of other "boat sounds"--and if it weren't the bloomin' halyard cacaphony, you be able to hear 'em!--that are actually relaxing...so it isn't about total peace and quiet (adn you've obviously never camped if you think camping offers you that, Jeff). If your next door neighbor had a gate or screen door that banged all night every time there was a breeze, you'd ask him to do something about it...if his dog barked all night OR all day, you'd insist on his doing something about it. You certainly wouldn't consider THAT "music to your ears that kinda makes you think you're sleeping in a neighborhood." Slapping halyards are no different. If I can crawl out of bed, walk to the offending boat--which, since I'm a powerboat in a covered slip, is never on my dock--and tie 'em down with a bungee cord, and come back to my boat in a matter of a few minutes, it takes only a few seconds for the owner of that boat to tie 'em down with a bungee cord himself as the last step in securing his boat. I'd never tie knots in anyone's halyards...but if finding a bungee cord wrapped around 'em doesn't give him the message, the thought of taking a crew over to his house at 3 am to stand outside his bedroom window and bang on pots and pans is one I'd support.
agree with Peggie
Its just courteous, in my estimation. It only takes 2 seconds to bungee your halyard. If you were sleeping on your own boat and the halyard was banging, you'd stop it, so why should you subject your neighbors to the sound?
Its just courteous, in my estimation. It only takes 2 seconds to bungee your halyard. If you were sleeping on your own boat and the halyard was banging, you'd stop it, so why should you subject your neighbors to the sound?
I agree with David Cox
I do notice that their is a difference of opinion between those factions that are sailors and enjoy certain aspects of the experience for the sailing sake and a newer breed that envision the process more like a network of floating condominiums. I suppose as in all things we old timers must relinquish our enjoyment for the meticulous rights of others, sort of like ladies with red jeeps and yellow traffic lights. In that respect I will make sure to tie off my halyards so as not to bother the young ones. Peggy - do I read it right that you be a power-boater-that would explain why you make sure to explain things in such great detail, no offence given.
I do notice that their is a difference of opinion between those factions that are sailors and enjoy certain aspects of the experience for the sailing sake and a newer breed that envision the process more like a network of floating condominiums. I suppose as in all things we old timers must relinquish our enjoyment for the meticulous rights of others, sort of like ladies with red jeeps and yellow traffic lights. In that respect I will make sure to tie off my halyards so as not to bother the young ones. Peggy - do I read it right that you be a power-boater-that would explain why you make sure to explain things in such great detail, no offence given.
This old salt's opinion
I have been around boats and ships for over 30 years, I enjoy roughing it on board and my H23 is no floating condo...but clanging halyards still get on my nerves. Maybe it's because it's so easy to prevent. Next time when you drop your sails, shackle the halyards to the bow pulpit or the lifelines instead of the cleat at the mast base or the headboard and you will hear (not hear?) the difference. No bungee, no knots, no noise (no kidding). Peter S/V Raven
I have been around boats and ships for over 30 years, I enjoy roughing it on board and my H23 is no floating condo...but clanging halyards still get on my nerves. Maybe it's because it's so easy to prevent. Next time when you drop your sails, shackle the halyards to the bow pulpit or the lifelines instead of the cleat at the mast base or the headboard and you will hear (not hear?) the difference. No bungee, no knots, no noise (no kidding). Peter S/V Raven
Good idea Darcy...
I always forget how to tie those nautical knots that come undone so easily anyway!
I always forget how to tie those nautical knots that come undone so easily anyway!
I'm VERY "old breed" David...
... and as a child learning to sail on a cruising boat on Long Island Sound I was taught by a very old skipper to tie off our halyards before turning in so as not to disturb our neighbours at anchor... Common courtesy should not be subject to "generation gaps"...
... and as a child learning to sail on a cruising boat on Long Island Sound I was taught by a very old skipper to tie off our halyards before turning in so as not to disturb our neighbours at anchor... Common courtesy should not be subject to "generation gaps"...
David, I was a sailor for 20+ years before...
I became a powerboater...and still love to sail. I spend several long weekends a year sailing with friends in the Chesapeake and the Gulf, and the sound of someone banging on pots and pans is just as irritating in an anchorage as it is in when I'm aboard my own boat in my marina. I find it very interesting that the very people who are the first to yowl about stereo speakers and genset noise see nothing wrong with slapping halyards all night. And as for why I explain things in detail, I think people learn more when they understand the reasons behind the answers to there questions.
I became a powerboater...and still love to sail. I spend several long weekends a year sailing with friends in the Chesapeake and the Gulf, and the sound of someone banging on pots and pans is just as irritating in an anchorage as it is in when I'm aboard my own boat in my marina. I find it very interesting that the very people who are the first to yowl about stereo speakers and genset noise see nothing wrong with slapping halyards all night. And as for why I explain things in detail, I think people learn more when they understand the reasons behind the answers to there questions.
Enough is Enough
I did not say anything about tying a halyard in knots. This "old" sailor always has a supply of old line which I prefer to recycle. Securing the offending halyard to a shroud with a hitch or other knot solves the problem without the expence of bungee cords. Repeat offenders deserve more attention. Some people like the sound of slapping halyards. Some don't. Some people like salt, others prefer pepper. Enough is enough. This "old" man is going sailing.
I did not say anything about tying a halyard in knots. This "old" sailor always has a supply of old line which I prefer to recycle. Securing the offending halyard to a shroud with a hitch or other knot solves the problem without the expence of bungee cords. Repeat offenders deserve more attention. Some people like the sound of slapping halyards. Some don't. Some people like salt, others prefer pepper. Enough is enough. This "old" man is going sailing.
I like the sound
Although I always tie my halyards off so that they do not slap, I like to go to sleep with the sound from around the marina. Guess it brings back memories from childhood.
Although I always tie my halyards off so that they do not slap, I like to go to sleep with the sound from around the marina. Guess it brings back memories from childhood.
Internal mast slap.
I tie off my halyards with bungees, but find on the H26 most of the noise comes from halyards, coax and wire slapping around INSIDE the mast. I'll be looking to silence that problem in the off season when the mast is down.
I tie off my halyards with bungees, but find on the H26 most of the noise comes from halyards, coax and wire slapping around INSIDE the mast. I'll be looking to silence that problem in the off season when the mast is down.
Repsect for Others
There's no excuse for slapping halyards, or any other intrusion on others. I'm kinda surprised, though, that Peggie H. takes such a strong stand when on an earlier forum, her attitude toward speakers on boats was, "If you don't like my noise, go somewhere else." Interesting how she can't tolerate what David C. considers "Music to my ears," but expects everyone else to put up with her noise, and if you don't like it, tough. The simple rule is, don't intrude on others. Noise, music, wake, whatever. Just because you like it doesn't make it an exception.
There's no excuse for slapping halyards, or any other intrusion on others. I'm kinda surprised, though, that Peggie H. takes such a strong stand when on an earlier forum, her attitude toward speakers on boats was, "If you don't like my noise, go somewhere else." Interesting how she can't tolerate what David C. considers "Music to my ears," but expects everyone else to put up with her noise, and if you don't like it, tough. The simple rule is, don't intrude on others. Noise, music, wake, whatever. Just because you like it doesn't make it an exception.
Pay Back's a Bitch
When I go sailing it's usually to get away from all the racket. I always anchor in a cove out on the lake. I DO bungee my halyards. Our marina consists of alot of people getting together to party. This is fine with me as the lake clears off 1-2 hours before sunset. This allows me the choice of places to spend the night. The other night a boat came in around 11:00pm with music cranked! I had my anchor light on, so unless they were so drunk the couldn’t see, there is no excuse. This is the largest lake in Ind. so I know there were other places to stay. This appears to be the general trend. People are rude and inconsiderate!!! and only think of themselves. That's OK, I wake up early to watch the sun rise. The offending boat found what a real stereo system sounds like.They woke up at 5:00AM to the sound of classical music. They rolled out of their beds, hang-over and all, tucked their tails and ran. The smell of fresh brewed coffee, bacon, and eggs probably didn’t help. The moral of this story - paybacks a bitch, and hopefully next time they will be a little more considerate and realize there are other people who enjoy the lake for different reasons at different times of the day. A. Glasson / Sarah 2 / Hunter 23
When I go sailing it's usually to get away from all the racket. I always anchor in a cove out on the lake. I DO bungee my halyards. Our marina consists of alot of people getting together to party. This is fine with me as the lake clears off 1-2 hours before sunset. This allows me the choice of places to spend the night. The other night a boat came in around 11:00pm with music cranked! I had my anchor light on, so unless they were so drunk the couldn’t see, there is no excuse. This is the largest lake in Ind. so I know there were other places to stay. This appears to be the general trend. People are rude and inconsiderate!!! and only think of themselves. That's OK, I wake up early to watch the sun rise. The offending boat found what a real stereo system sounds like.They woke up at 5:00AM to the sound of classical music. They rolled out of their beds, hang-over and all, tucked their tails and ran. The smell of fresh brewed coffee, bacon, and eggs probably didn’t help. The moral of this story - paybacks a bitch, and hopefully next time they will be a little more considerate and realize there are other people who enjoy the lake for different reasons at different times of the day. A. Glasson / Sarah 2 / Hunter 23
noise,
I prefer not to hear my own halyards, other peoples dont bother me that much, I also own a jet ski , and most friends have powerboats, did not realize there were such strong feelings, How about if i throw my stereo in Landfill not lake that would be polluting, sell ski and hunter and buy a kayak, would the noise of the paddles offend anyone, ???Perhaps we need our own private lakes, Now i really do understand why the rudeness at boat ramps is so comonplace, think back if you can to a time when just to be on the water in something anything would have made us all happy now we find such trivial things to bitch about, thats it Mike
I prefer not to hear my own halyards, other peoples dont bother me that much, I also own a jet ski , and most friends have powerboats, did not realize there were such strong feelings, How about if i throw my stereo in Landfill not lake that would be polluting, sell ski and hunter and buy a kayak, would the noise of the paddles offend anyone, ???Perhaps we need our own private lakes, Now i really do understand why the rudeness at boat ramps is so comonplace, think back if you can to a time when just to be on the water in something anything would have made us all happy now we find such trivial things to bitch about, thats it Mike
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