Got My Android Phone Out of Jail Today....

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Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
Warning longish rant...

So for a long time I paid Verizon Wireless to tether my phones to my laptop so that I could have broadband service when I needed it on my laptop. This was cumbersome, expensive and required your phone to be connected to the computer via a cable. There were also multiple clicks etc. you had to do to get it to work and it often stumbled, froze or locked up. I had been doing this since about 2004/05 when it was VERY, VERY slow. At times I paid as much as $60.00 per month for the privilege of using my lap top to view my "unlimited data" I was already paying for on my phones screen.

Fast forward multiple phones and service plans and here I am today with an Android phone, which I love, but the screen is still just a tad to small.

A year ago I was at a party with a good high school friend who is, shall we say, very high up at Verizon Wireless so he will remain nameless, and the topic of jail breaking and using applications such as PDA Net on Verizon phones came up.

The gist of the conversation, between friends, was that unless you are a "power user" you will never show up on any sort of radar, for Verizon at least. Unless you download or upload GOBS of data, as in 10-15+ GB month or more using PDA Net or other apps to connect your laptop to your data package will never even be questioned or looked at.

My friend also mentioned that because I have a grandfathered "unlimited data package" that I should NEVER let an associate talk me into a different data package or I would lose my "unlimited" plan and likely never see it come back. If you still have an "unlimited data plan" DO NOT let any associate talk you out of it or into ANY data package/plan changes.

A few years ago I upgraded phones and the sales person mislead me about tethering on the new phone. They promised tethering would be available within 30 days, it was a brand new model phone and they "did not yet have the software ready". I was told that when it came out I could again "tether" for data. Well three months later, and too late to return the phone, still no "tethering" software.:doh: I called my friend to see if he knew anything. He apologized for his companies inefficiencies and off the cuff said to use PDNet in the mean time, as their developers had already beaten Verizon Wireless to the punch. So, I downloaded PDA Net and it worked on my phone and worked well. Once the Verizon tethering became available I did switch back and my plan price went up accordingly for tethering.

Technically using these software plans to skirt Verizon or other plans is against the plan legalese mumbo jumbo. If you are timid about this DO NOT DO IT. I have no qualms with it however having been a loyal Verizon Wireless customer since the late 80's even before they were Verizon Wireless. For the last year+ I have been using PDA Net to tether and finally dropped my $15.00 per month Verizon tethering surcharge. I generally use under 1.5GB per month so this has not and will not raise eyebrows..

For a few years I was paranoid about using PDA Net because a co-worker got caught. His problem was that he was downloading almost 35-40GB per month, something which at the time just could not be done on a PDA. He got a slap on the wrist from Verizon and they told him he could pay the charges or leave the company. Seeing as he had paid for "unlimited data" he had issues with their imposed "limits" (this actually turned into a class action), so he left. A month later a sales person called him and offered him a better plan, and he went back... Go figure..;)

So fast forward to today where we have new technology such as iPads and Mi-Fi hot spots created by smart phones or Mi-Fi devices.. Of course you can pay big money for a plan, for just the iPad, or lose your "unlimited data" and turn your phone into a limited data plan and get teh ability to turn your Android and other phones into Mi-Fi wireless access point.

None of these options seemed very reasonable to me. About two months ago I bought my wife an iPad and I did not want yet another "line" so went with the basic iPad without the 3G package. So how do I tether it to my phone??? Bottom line, can't be done very well at all cause the iPad is a PITA for things like that. :doh:

I actually went back to Verizon tethering to see of I could get my HP Laptop to set up for an Ad Hoc wireless network. Even that failed to work and the iPad would not acquire its signal or gain access. So, I went back to PDA Net on the HP laptop. I then found an application called Connectify that turns your laptop into a wireless access point.

Connectify and PDA Net worked to get the iPad on-line but it required that my HP laptop be on and running as well, just to supply the Wi-Fi signal to the iPad. The HP laptop burns anywhere between 4 & 6 amps off the boats house bank!!! Not good. This worked OK but the problem was that it was glitchy, a power hog and I was still wired and it was still cumbersome.

So I was speaking with my Verizon friend a couple of weeks ago and he mentioned that he also uses an Android, not an iPhone which I though he'd be doing now that Verizon has them, and that he is running a third party "application".

I asked him point blank if he had to "root" or "jail break" his phone in order to do this. "Yes of course but it is faster than a stock Android and I have a lot more options.", "But you work for Verizon Wireless and get all your services for free." "Yes I do, but my phone can do a lot more than the stock phones...;)".. "hmm how can I "root" my phone?", "oh it's easy you'll figure it out.". Now keep in mind this guy is very tech savvy and I am not.

We I thought about it for a few weeks and then decided to give it a try, why not.:eek: I researched how to do it for many hours then found some good instructions and went for it.

In all it took about 45 minutes to do this, not including lots of hours spent researching the topic, but I now have an Android phone that can become a Wi-Fi hot spot for our iPad when on the boat, car or anywhere and it is just as fast as the 3G will go. It is also a simple single click to turn on or off the wi-fi on my Android and it works incredibly well.. I had no problems rooting my phone and with unrEVOked it can be undone at any time.

There are many benefits to rooting that I will probably never explore but one that some may. I just wanted to be able to turn on the Wi-Fi feature without losing my grandfathered "unlimited data" plan.

I simply justify this by thinking "Verizon forced me into this by trying to take away my unlimited data plan in order for me to get wi-fi/mi-fi". I know it's not an excuse, but it works for me currently..:naughty: If it does not work for you the DO NOT DO IT..:)

I am NOT technically savvy in ANY WAY so anyone could probably do this.

Here's the link to the instructions I used to root my Android Incredible:

Rooting The Android Incredible

DO NOT try this if you feel uncomfortable. There are lots of warnings out there about "bricking" your phone. To "brick" your phone means you've made it as useless as a "brick". I find it hard to believe people actually do this but some claim it can happen. The rooting software I used is called unrEVOked and the wi-fi application is Android WiFI Tether.

WiFi Android Tether can be downloaded here (do it from your phone and it is the top one on the list, at least for the Incredible):

http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list

So now our boat has wi-fi just like home, when we are in Verizon range. I also installed a Wilson cell phone amp so we get excellent cell service along a good chunk of the Maine coast. All in all I found this "hack" to be very worth while for me and so far so good.


Disclaimer: This is NOT a sanctioned activity by SBO and is solely my own post for anyone interested in getting more from your Android phone..
 
Feb 26, 2004
23,362
Catalina 34 224 Maple Bay, BC, Canada
It used to be that....

...that the choice was TV or NO tv on your boat.

Now it's more complicated.

I gotta get me one of dem bricks.:eek:
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
...that the choice was TV or NO tv on your boat.

Now it's more complicated.

I gotta get me one of dem bricks.:eek:
Nah we got her a little portable DVD player for boat TV and she loves it, calls it her "computer"...... TV has not been on all summer, yee haw..:)
 
Dec 8, 2007
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-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
hey i have found that if you wear a large raincoat with extra pockets sewn in you can walk around in west marine and steal hundreds of dollars of stuff and they don't even notice you.probably because we sailboaters are so honest.but as long as we are discussing theft i thought i'd let you in on it.
 

Gary_H

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Nov 5, 2007
469
Cal 2-25 Carolina Beach NC
I have used PDA net before as well with my Android incredible but find it's just a PITA to tether. I decided to shell out the extra bucks for a USB Verizon broadband modem. It worked well but was an extra 49 bucks a month for 5 GB data. Until recently got good dependable coverage on my boat. Recently though I am constantly get dropped connections. when I call to inquire if they are having network problems all they seem to be interested in doing is talking me into upgrading to the new 4G modem. The upgrade is free but requires another two year contract which I really don't want to do. The reviews on the new devices are not that good either. I have been with Verizon at least a million years but lately I'm a little disappointed. Oh they do have mobile hot spot that you can get that services up to 5 WIFI devices. That might be the way to go if you have multiple machines you want to use.
 
Sep 25, 2008
2,288
C30 Event Horizon Port Aransas
Rooting phones? What's next mattress tags?? Out of control!
I have had clear wireless for a while now. (I checked the coverage map, they are starting to get coverage in the NE.) I want to cancel it but it is fast enough for us to watch shows while we are on the boat. They have pretty good coverage around San Antonio where I live and Port Aransas where my boat is, BUT if I can get my phone to do the same things I am definitely willing to do that. Is wireless to your computer from your phone fast enough to watch a show or am I stuck with this clear service for a while longer?
Ray I hope you are joking.
I was so angry at verizon for years because they charged for GPS. Verizon was the only service that worked at my house so I was stuck with them. I thought this was criminal.
I now have a thunderbolt that I am very happy with. I do the right thing in business no matter what it costs me. I consider myself to have unquestionable integrity when it comes to dealing with people in business. But when it comes to something that is not just, like the gps or tethering rules, I will gladly break the rules and not apologize to anyone for it. Maybe I am justifying it maybe it is right so long as my conscience is clear.
 

JohnS

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Sep 25, 2008
177
Islander (Wayfarer/McGlasson) 32 St Georges Harbor
hey i have found that if you wear a large raincoat with extra pockets sewn in you can walk around in west marine and steal hundreds of dollars of stuff and they don't even notice you.probably because we sailboaters are so honest.but as long as we are discussing theft i thought i'd let you in on it.
Just what is being stolen by rooting and using PDANet? Bandwith? Not really, considering he has an 'unlimited' contract, which they'll restrict if he uses to much, no matter whether he uses it with a laptop or the phone itself. (Bytes are bytes - the network doesn't care where they're going.) Basically they sold a service - "unlimited internet" - promising something that they've never been willing to provide. Use too much and they slap you down, but they would never say what defines "too much", because then they couldn't advertise it as "unlimited".

Seems to me Verizon has been defaulting on their contract. I had Verizon long before there were smartphones, but since have been with Sprint. They have their own issues, but at least when they say unlimited internet, they mean it.

It's not a crime to use root and tether your phone, but it is a violation of your contract. I just feel that Verizon has already violated the contract, so why shouldn't you?
 

JohnS

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Sep 25, 2008
177
Islander (Wayfarer/McGlasson) 32 St Georges Harbor
Oh, and just wait and see it the AT&T/T-Mobile merger goes thru. You think the companies are trying to screw you now. Sprint will likely die, and then look what your options are for a national carrier.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
hey i have found that if you wear a large raincoat with extra pockets sewn in you can walk around in west marine and steal hundreds of dollars of stuff and they don't even notice you.probably because we sailboaters are so honest.but as long as we are discussing theft i thought i'd let you in on it.
Ray,

Many folks choose to get rolled over by companies like Verizon Wireless, I do not. I pay for UNLIMITED DATA and use far less than perhaps 95% of Verizon customers so no I don't feel badly at all. If they want to change the definition of UNLIMITED then go for it but as of now I feel UNLIMITED means UNLIMITED. Verizon Wireless lost this battle in a class action law suit so now everyone gets "LIMITED" data plans unless you're grandfathered.

Maybe when Verizon Wireless agrees to pay me back for the nearly 4 years I spent paying $44.99 for broadband data, when I should have only been paying $29.99, I'll consider paying the $14.99 tethering charge to make it "comply" with my contract, though probably not.:) As I see it Verizon Wireless still owes me for over charges totaling 43 months for an "enterprise server plan" when I never needed one to begin with.

Thankfully a girl the the Augusta, ME store was HONEST with me and corrected my charges but they would not refund any of the money they over charged me for the previous 43 months.

Also when companies like Verizon Wireless get slapped and lose in a class action for selling "unlimited data" that was not really "unlimited data" it makes it very hard to feel in the slightest bit guilty where or how I choose to view or use my UNLIMITED DATA.

I would guess that any adult who's used a computer or tech device has technically broken an "end user license agreement" at some point or another. I do tend to lump this in with Mattress Tags...:D Besides the US Government has ruled that Jailbreaking phones or rooting them is now legal...


Verizon Wireless Settles Law Suit Over Unlimited Broadband

US Government Says Jailbreaking Phones Is LEGAL


I love the new lease on life that my Android has...
 
Jan 3, 2009
821
Marine Trader 34 Where Ever I am
We have a $400 Blackberry that was paid full price from Alltel. AT&T bought Alltel and when we went to have the phone switched over AT&T said the phone was locked to Alltel and they could not unlock it, we would have to buy another phone. We went with another carrier that gave us a phone and we have a $400 paperweight. Chuck
 
Jan 22, 2008
423
Catalina 30 Mandeville, La.
Those limited data plans may go away when 4G is fully implemented. It would be a shame to sell such high data speeds that you exhaust your monthly data allotment in one session. I have read about the carriers throttling back speeds on extreme high data users. Even in that case, it will still be far greater than the limits common today.

FYI on the cell phone booster amps. I often have to search for interference on wireless networks and those wireless cell phone boosters are notorious for generating rf noise if not properly installed. When the donor, or outside antenna is within close proximity to the inside antenna, they will start oscillating on their own causing major interference. When installed with proper spacing between the antennas, they can make a big difference in those marginal areas. Cell phone radio signals are line of sight and subject to shading or signal attenuation from buildings, trees, etc. In your boat in a marina which is generally a good service area when you drive up, can become poor by the time you climb down below deck near or below sea level. Those amplifiers, also called bi-directional amps, can really make the difference. Just make sure you get one that is fully compatable with your network carrier. Big companies like Vz and ATT use several different frequency bands and some of those amps are limited to a single band. That's fine if it works where you mostly use it, but travel and then you could run into trouble. 4G, at least on the big 2 is being rolled out mostly in a whole new frequency band ( 700MHz) and would probably require a new amplifier. On the other hand, 3G isn't going anywhere and with new updates, really high data speeds are available on that technology.
 
Apr 8, 2010
1,606
Frers 33 41426 Westport, CT
Chuckbear said:
We have a $400 Blackberry that was paid full price from Alltel. AT&T bought Alltel and when we went to have the phone switched over AT&T said the phone was locked to Alltel and they could not unlock it, we would have to buy another phone. We went with another carrier that gave us a phone and we have a $400 paperweight. Chuck
That is probably because Alltel was bought by Verizon, not AT&T... If you had gone to a Verizon store where you were a customer, I bet they could have done something other than try to sell you a new phone under a new contract.
 
Dec 8, 2007
303
-mac 26M -26M tucson-san carlos mx
I'm sure even Al Capone could ratiioinalize why he did what he did.you probably didn't read the entire boring contract who does.but like most profitable companies with a billon dollars worth of lawyers you will see in your verizon contract that unlimited is actually limited to a specific amount of data,after which you are charged for the excess used.just since the rise of netflix,hbo go, etc the total of all wireless data being transmitted is over 35% just for streaming movies and television, big internet providers for home service are all planing to but data limits on your home usage just as the cell companies are doing.you probably won't be criminally charged for stealing extra data usage,but if you check the box that you accept their term and conditions(a contract) you will be stealing from that company.
 
Jan 22, 2008
423
Catalina 30 Mandeville, La.
That is probably because Alltel was bought by Verizon, not AT&T... If you had gone to a Verizon store where you were a customer, I bet they could have done something other than try to sell you a new phone under a new contract.
Part of that deal required Vz to sell off dozens of areas and ATT purchased most of them. So he probably was correct. The issue wasn't the phone being locked but the phone not being a GSM/UMTS capable device. It, more than likely, was more than just unlocking it.

Seems they would've made some concession for customers in this predicament. They probably picked up over a million new customers from Alltel and can't/won't buy each new devices, but it seems they would at the very least offer the same discounts offerred to new subscribers willing to sign contracts.
 
Jan 3, 2009
821
Marine Trader 34 Where Ever I am
That is probably because Alltel was bought by Verizon, not AT&T... If you had gone to a Verizon store where you were a customer, I bet they could have done something other than try to sell you a new phone under a new contract.
It may have Verizon and we did go to the right store. It has been a while now. They would not help even though they acknowledged they had bought the company.
 

CarlN

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Jan 4, 2009
603
Ketch 55 Bristol, RI
Those "check the box" agreements have become more ridiculous in the last few years. The Itunes one is 40 screens long.

I think it's only a matter of time before some court declares those contracts invalid. Contract law is about balance and meeting of the minds. The common method of insisting on the check mark before providing any service (in many cases having already taken payment) while offering no ability to negotiate or even question the terms is unreasonable. These companies would also be forced to admit in a court case that they know virtually no one is reading the contracts -- yet they've taken no steps to correct the problem or otherwise ensure a valid contract.

We just need a test case. MainSail? :D

(just kidding, life's too short)

Carl
 
Aug 16, 2009
1,000
Hunter 1986 H31 California Yacht Marina, Chula Vista, CA
I'm not sure the dispute between Main and Ray can be settled as they represent polar positions. Ray argues that irrespective of what was advertised, when you sign the contract, the fine print governs. Violating whatever is buried in there is breach of contract, period. Main takes the "unfair business practice" position in which he was induced to sign a contract based on the advertised written and oral representations. He would argue that it is unreasonable and fanciful to think that consumers read through pages of fine print before signing. Instead most assume the contract broadly embodies the promises advertised. When he discovered the contract and the advertised promises were in conflict, he could hire an expensive and specialized law firm to take on Verizon's bank of lawyers by filing a class action, or simply find a "more direct" way to get what he was told he was buying. Which course will bring him nearer to god? I keep waiting for sign.
 
Feb 6, 1998
11,760
Canadian Sailcraft 36T Casco Bay, ME
I'm not sure the dispute between Main and Ray can be settled as they represent polar positions. Ray argues that irrespective of what was advertised, when you sign the contract, the fine print governs. Violating whatever is buried in there is breach of contract, period. Main takes the "unfair business practice" position in which he was induced to sign a contract based on the advertised written and oral representations. He would argue that it is unreasonable and fanciful to think that consumers read through pages of fine print before signing. Instead most assume the contract broadly embodies the promises advertised. When he discovered the contract and the advertised promises were in conflict, he could hire an expensive and specialized law firm to take on Verizon's bank of lawyers by filing a class action, or simply find a "more direct" way to get what he was told he was buying. Which course will bring him nearer to god? I keep waiting for sign.
Already happened and Verizon paid lots of money over this. The result? No more "unlimited" data plans for new customers and Verizon employees are incentivised tp sneakily get you out of ANY unlimited data plan..

BTW when I signed my contract many years ago it was for UNLIMITED data and this is why Verizon lost as there were NO stipulations at the time. I signed my contract well before you tube, netflix, music or movie downloads over cell phone band width were even possible. Seeing as I have not since signed any other contracts for broadband data my original contract should still be in place..

P.S. I just looked at my most recent Verizon Wireless bill and my data usage for 7/7/11 to 8/7/11 was just 1.08 GB. I then went back and looked on-line as far back as I could go, which is only 3 months, and I have never really broken much over 1 GB of data in a month. But I do pay for it and if my daughter decides she might want to watch a movie, well then we just might. My highest usage I can find on billing statements is 1.08 GB. My current month thus far is 354 MB.

I even called Verizon and we could not find any moth that broke 1GB by much and this July was about my peak usage for data.. 1GB is a far cry from hogging up their band width..

June 314 MB
July 1.08 GB
August To Date 354 MB
 

Bob S

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Sep 27, 2007
1,813
Beneteau 393 New Bedford, MA
What even crazier is that you can't buy a phone where you're not charged 9.99 for a data plan you don't even want. On our family plan I have 4 phones @ 29.99 Unlimited and 2 with 9.99 limited packages that I didn't want. Pretty soon you won't be able to buy a phone that isn't a smart phone. Combine that with the cable package of phone/internet/TV and we are paying a small fortune.
 

JVB

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Jan 26, 2006
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Schock Wavelength 24 Lake Murray, SC
We have a $400 Blackberry that was paid full price from Alltel. AT&T bought Alltel and when we went to have the phone switched over AT&T said the phone was locked to Alltel and they could not unlock it, we would have to buy another phone. We went with another carrier that gave us a phone and we have a $400 paperweight. Chuck
Revive the paperweight ! Google "unlock Blackberry" to find a ton of websites that purport to help you unlock your Blackberry phone .
 
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